14-Bit MIDI Input?

[Astraios]

Hi and Hello,

Can Cakewalk/Sonar process 14-bit MIDI input? - and would it be possible to trigger the fine adjustment of an envelope with it?  🗝️

The latest update to "Remote Control" (Blue Cat Audio) adds new  MIDI-features , such as 14-bit

 

Ultra-fine tuning is, as far as I know, only available here in Edit Node Window --> Level and nowhere else.

(also not in the Event List)

Is this level setting NRPN-based or 14-bit, or both? (or something completly else)

 

 

 

Edited October 27 by Astraios

[Astraios]

On 10/26/2025 at 1:21 PM, Astraios said:

 

 Some audio programmers are so bright that they use values below CC1 to control their software, which makes control almost impossible,

but Sonar can handle this upon the Edit Node, which is pretty clever...

Spire Synth by Reveal - Reverb Mode DropDown Menu

CC MIDI has 128 steps --> 1-128
The Edit Node is based on a scale of 0.000 to 10,000 (percentage?)
0.001 --> CC1
5.000 --> CC64
10.000 --> CC128

10,000 : 126 = 78.125
so 78.125 corresponds to one CC step

it's a science

 🗝️

Edited October 28 by Astraios

[Promidi]

1 hour ago, Astraios said:

Note Editor

??  Don't you mean Node editor?

[Astraios]

17 hours ago, Promidi said:

??  Don't you mean Node editor?

Thx, you are right, the exact name is: Edit Node

Edited October 28 by Astraios

[azslow3]

"Edit Node" is editing Automation Nodes. The "Level" is the value, in  corresponding parameter units. Normally these parameters are not (!) MIDI. They have usual float numbers precision (way more then 100000 possible values...). For MIDI possible values are integers, 0...127 (except for Wheel).

There is no hint Sonar supports CC14. But in practice CC14 is a sequence of 2 CC7. So Sonar will work fine with them, there is just no convenient way to edit the data. And the number of CC14 per channel is small. While (N)RPN will use twice number of CC messages in comparison to CC14, that is not important till you transfer that throw hardware MIDI cable. >16k of (N)RPNs are available per channel and Sonar supports them. 

[Astraios]

Ahh, that's interesting. Couldn't the folks at Cakewalk integrate the "Edit Node Level" somehow into the Remote Control window? Then you could work with the values. 

 

Edited October 28 by Astraios