Modify tempo on song using Arranger?

[OPunWide]

I've started using the Arranger, which I've always avoided in part because I don't typically quantize. Basically: I don't have a lot of experience the Arranger.

Is there a way to set tempos for the arranged song, as opposed to the individual Sections?

As a simplified example, supposed I wanted to use the same Verse Section twice,
with the second one at a faster tempo that the first. How would I accomplish that?

 

[msmcleod]

When creating an arrangement, all you're doing is marking sections of your existing project. You can then "Preview" the arrangement, which essentially moves the Now Time around, or you can commit the arrangement.

Committing an arrangement is essentially big cut & paste operation on steroids, either replacing your existing project with the arranged song, or inserting your arranged song at a different point in the timeline.

For what you want to do, I'd advise the following:

1.  Commit your arrangement to a point after the end of your song.
2.  Set your Project Start Marker to where your arranged song starts
3.  Use the Tempo Track to alter the tempo as required for the part of your project now containing the arranged song

Once you're happy with your arrangement you can then use Ripple Edit to delete everything before the Project Start Marker.

[Bass Guitar]

What you need to understand is that the Arranger just mostly labels parts of the song. 
It then creates the list from which you can drag and drop them to a new list to make a new arrangement. 
Your concept is asking for a feature that is not part of using the Arranger track but of using the tempo track. Arranger sections only manipulate the playback head they don’t contain tempo information. 
 

You can use the Arranger to create a typical song by just creating just one of each of the basic parts, intro, verse, chorus and so on. 
You then build the song using those parts and drag them down to the Arrangement window in the inspector. 
once happy you can commit to the project and save it. 
To make verse 2 faster you use the tempo track. It’s all pretty simple for basic music. 
 

[Glenn Stanton]

5 hours ago, msmcleod said:

3.  Use the Tempo Track to alter the tempo as required for the part of your project now containing the arranged song

it would be nice though if the arranger took the tempo of its section of tracks and included that in the move... presumably the arranger takes things like the articulations, automations, etc along which each section? so maybe including the tempo track into those bits would be nice so (for example) i wouldn't have to do a manual step to set tempos, then decide to change things, and now i need to clear thse tempo track (if say i'm using the end of the song for its placement) and then re-do the tempo track... repeat...

[msmcleod]

1 hour ago, Glenn Stanton said:

it would be nice though if the arranger took the tempo of its section of tracks and included that in the move... presumably the arranger takes things like the articulations, automations, etc along which each section? so maybe including the tempo track into those bits would be nice so (for example) i wouldn't have to do a manual step to set tempos, then decide to change things, and now i need to clear thse tempo track (if say i'm using the end of the song for its placement) and then re-do the tempo track... repeat...

It already does this (unless you exclude the Tempo Track from the arranger).

But the OP wanted the same section to be played at different tempos... so you'd need to "roll out" the arrangement first.

[OPunWide]

@msmcleod Thanks for confirming what I suspected. 

I completely forgot there was a "commit" step. I have never used it because it seemed like it might break everything else.

It sounds like I should think of the Arranger as a WIP tool. Basically, build the song parts, commit, and never change the structure after that.

I often go back to old projects. To retain that possibility it looks like I would have to make a new project before doing a commit.

You answered my question and gave me a process I can, grudgingly, work with. Thanks.

@Glenn Stanton I assumed it would used the tempos for each section. It's got to start somewhere, right?

[Bass Guitar]

Yes I should have clarified that. The example is that if you had a section named Verse you can reuse it over and over but it will maintain the tempo of that section from where it was first placed on the timeline.