Astraios Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) Hi and Hello 🧑🚀 I had this problem a few years ago, but now I'm running into trouble again. I want to record Windows system sound for a tutorial I'm doing with Filmora video editing software. It's not easy, and I remember having some success with Voicemeeter Virtual Mixer back then. I want to record the Sonar sound during a film editing session and discuss it in the tutorial. Everything looks pretty simple in the Voicemeeter manual (see photo), but I'm pretty confused after all the YouTube clips I've watched in the last few hours... Perhaps someone can explain to me what exactly I need to set in the Sonar Device Preferences to be able to record a Sonar synth sound with Audacity or Filmora? It's possible I can save myself even more hours of fiddling around because someone already figured it out. ☮️ Can I route audio from Cakewalk to another program on my PC? https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/30601-can-i-route-audio-from-cakewalk-to-another-program-on-my-pc/ Voicemeeter, USB Mic, how do I make my recordings sound better https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/76912-voicemeeter-usb-mic-how-do-i-make-my-recordings-sound-better/ How to Route Windows Audio thru a Plugin? https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/83359-how-to-route-windows-audio-thru-a-plugin/ Any way to route SONAR's audio output into another DAW's Audio Input without being online/using internet? https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/83734-any-way-to-route-sonars-audio-output-into-another-daws-audio-input-without-being-onlineusing-internet/ ASIO and Voicemeeter setup https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/26136-asio-and-voicemeeter-setup/ Cakewalk by Bandlab Tutorial (How to Setup for Live Streaming) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vElkof0BnjA Video Capture of Cakewalk Sonar Using OBS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTvcGxAtdaI Edited September 28 by Astraios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaps Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 What audio interface are you using? Many audio interfaces can do what I think it is you want to do without additional software. My Steinberg URC24, for instance, can record Windows audio while also recording the audio from its inputs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted September 28 Author Share Posted September 28 Hi Chaps Focusrite Scarlett 4|4 3. Gen. I guess Scarlett is also able to do it ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted September 28 Author Share Posted September 28 (edited) I really missed out on studying sound engineering in my life just to record some PC sound for my YT clip 😗 so, what to do now? And what kind of Audio Driver MMe/Wasapi/Asio? Can I do it with VB Audio Cable (A/B) alone or do I need Voicemeeter Banana version? Edited September 28 by Astraios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) 3 hours ago, Astraios said: Hi and Hello 🧑🚀 I had this problem a few years ago, but now I'm running into trouble again. I want to record Windows system sound for a tutorial I'm doing with Filmora video editing software. It's not easy, and I remember having some success with Voicemeeter Virtual Mixer back then. I want to record the Sonar sound during a film editing session and discuss it in the tutorial. Everything looks pretty simple in the Voicemeeter manual (see photo), but I'm pretty confused after all the YouTube clips I've watched in the last few hours... Perhaps someone can explain to me what exactly I need to set in the Sonar Device Preferences to be able to record a Sonar synth sound with Audacity or Filmora? It's possible I can save myself even more hours of fiddling around because someone already figured it out. ☮️ Can I route audio from Cakewalk to another program on my PC? https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/30601-can-i-route-audio-from-cakewalk-to-another-program-on-my-pc/ Voicemeeter, USB Mic, how do I make my recordings sound better https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/76912-voicemeeter-usb-mic-how-do-i-make-my-recordings-sound-better/ How to Route Windows Audio thru a Plugin? https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/83359-how-to-route-windows-audio-thru-a-plugin/ Any way to route SONAR's audio output into another DAW's Audio Input without being online/using internet? https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/83734-any-way-to-route-sonars-audio-output-into-another-daws-audio-input-without-being-onlineusing-internet/ ASIO and Voicemeeter setup https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/26136-asio-and-voicemeeter-setup/ Cakewalk by Bandlab Tutorial (How to Setup for Live Streaming) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vElkof0BnjA Video Capture of Cakewalk Sonar Using OBS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTvcGxAtdaI 1: Set Audio device to WASAPI SHARED in Sonar. 2: Open Voicemeeter banana or Potato and set it to MME. Litetally all you have to do. 😬 Edit: If you have an interface that support loopback use that - if not just use WASAPI SHARED. Edited September 28 by Will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted September 28 Author Share Posted September 28 What so ever, if I switch to Wasapi Shared, there's no audio signal in Focusrite Control anymore, and then what? I think it'll be difficult without an audio signal 🫡Okay, I'm retired and I have time - I can already see myself busy with this crap all next week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted September 29 Author Share Posted September 29 (edited) 22 hours ago, Will. said: 1: Set Audio device to WASAPI SHARED in Sonar. 2: Open Voicemeeter banana or Potato and set it to MME. Litetally all you have to do. 😬 Edit: If you have an interface that support loopback use that - if not just use WASAPI SHARED. Maybe you should double-check your settings, because the whole thing works perfectly with the Voicemeeter ASIO drivers without any latency. You don't need MME or Wasapi... 🙈 Edited September 29 by Astraios 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 30 minutes ago, Astraios said: Maybe you should double-check your settings, because the whole thing works perfectly with the Voicemeeter ASIO drivers without any latency. You don't need MME or Wasapi... 🙈 I don't use voicemeeter. I use my loopback feature that built-in to my interface. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 (edited) 23 hours ago, Astraios said: Focusrite Control Why are you using voicemeeter if you have this? It comes with a built-in loopback feature. It's what I use. Edited September 29 by Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azslow3 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 28 minutes ago, Astraios said: Maybe you should double-check your settings, because the whole thing works perfectly with the Voicemeeter ASIO drivers without any latency. You don't need MME or Wasapi... 🙈 Only analog mixers are working "Without any latency" (really still with it, but super tiny), any digital mixer has latency, any software mixer has significant latency. But that is not my point... Voicemeeter are software mixers. You need Voicemeeter/Banana/Potato depending from the number of separate buses you want. You need a separate bus or separate channels for each application (Windows also counts as "an application"). With Voicemeeter you can "split by channels". If you prefer separate "buses", use Banana/Potato. Then sequentially configure what goes where, starting from Inputs (if you record from Sonar, that is "an input" for Voicemeeter). But sometimes it doesn't work... F.e. different sampling rates is looking for troubles, keeping "devices" in use while re-configuring it is looking for troubles, changing audio hardware interface settings when Voicemeeter is working is looking for troubles, using software which directly access audio interface is looking for troubles, etc. And periodically it just stop working normally without any reason (including distorting audio... rather annoying if you was recording an interview with someone and what you could hear was fine). Also it can just "stuck", not showing (I mean not always showing) errors. It simply stop working as configured till restarted. This approach is ok if you want the setup one time for hobby activity. For anything more serious or every day, consider small external mixer with second audio interface (build-in realtek counts as such) as a cheap solution or (half)hardware digital mixer/interface for comfortable way (with RME you also get really small latency and good pre-amps, even Babyface has 12 mono/6 stereo mixes you can record, composed from 4 hardware, 6 stereo outputs from (different) software and other mixes, from them the first two stereo mixes are for monitors and headphones. Well, it cost may more then small analog mixer... ). Podcast devices are somewhere in-between in price, have convenient hardware controls and some have build-in recorder (for "just in case..."), but they are less flexible for "inside computer" mixing. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted September 29 Author Share Posted September 29 Okay, it took a day or two, but I've finally solved the problem. It's actually possible with the simple Voicemeeter and the VB Audio Cable. I can now record Sonar sounds directly (and without any noticeable latency, using ASIO) into the Filmora video editing software while the IV Cam is running. Two years ago, I couldn't have done this... I'm pretty satisfied, even though all the information is making my head spin. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 19 minutes ago, Astraios said: even though all the information is making my head spin. And its really simple setup. Youtube make things unnecessary complicated. 20 minutes ago, Astraios said: I can now record Sonar sounds directly (and without any noticeable latency, using ASIO) into the Filmora Glad you sorted out. You dont actually need the Virtual Cable, but if its working for you - get crazy creative. ✌ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted September 30 Author Share Posted September 30 (edited) 16 hours ago, azslow3 said: You need Voicemeeter/Banana/Potato depending from the number of separate buses you want. I've solved it with Voicemeeter "Basic" and combination of VB Cable Then sequentially configure what goes where, starting from Inputs (if you record from Sonar, that is "an input" for Voicemeeter). It is a virtual input in this case (it's an important matter) And periodically it just stop working normally without any reason (including distorting audio... rather annoying if you was recording an interview with someone and what you could hear was fine). Also it can just "stuck", not showing (I mean not always showing) errors. It simply stop working as configured till restarted. Unfortunately this is true, and makes big trouble while setting it up, because some changes only work after new start the programs... This approach is ok if you want the setup one time for hobby activity. You're absolutely right, AZslo3, but I'm super unprofessional... 🧙♂️ It's completely inadequate for professional needs. Now that I've set it up this way, I can finally record this Z3TA clip with sounds. As a side note, there are also very suitable touch portal panels for Voicemeeter... thx for supporting my question! Edited September 30 by Astraios 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted September 30 Author Share Posted September 30 16 hours ago, Will. said: Why are you using voicemeeter if you have this? It comes with a built-in loopback feature. It's what I use. Which or what interface is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 26 minutes ago, Astraios said: Which or what interface is it? Focusrite 2i2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass Guitar Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 The answer is to use an ASIO audio interface with a loopback feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azslow3 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 31 minutes ago, Bass Guitar said: The answer is to use an ASIO audio interface with a loopback feature. From the second OP post, I have concluded he has an "ASIO audio interface with loopback feature" and knows about that feature ... That is "the answer" in case one loopback is sufficient, from what I remember Focusrite has exactly one. But in many situations you need more then one. Even in case of let say Zoom, you need (a) a mix sent to Zoom, (b) an input from Zoom. If locally you have just one mic and don't want send anything else, single loopback can work. In all other cases you have a problem, f.e. if you have two local mics and want record them separately or send the sound from your computer. If you have several programs which want ASIO, you need multi-ASIO capable interface. Most are not. If you want record audio from one program into other, but at the same time record the whole process, you need recorder which can do that (f.e. OBS) or multiple loopbacks. Real Multi-ASIO capable interface with multi-loopbacks support is "the answer" in almost all cases, but they are not cheap 😏 Virtual multi-ASIO capable interface with multi-loopback is also "the answer" in almost all cases. And that is what Voicemeeter programs are. The only problem they are not stable... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass Guitar Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 1 hour ago, azslow3 said: That is "the answer" in case one loopback is sufficient, from what I remember Focusrite has exactly one. But in many situations you need more then one. Even in case of let say Zoom, you need (a) a mix sent to Zoom, (b) an input from Zoom. If locally you have just one mic and don't want send anything else, single loopback can work. In all other cases you have a problem, f.e. if you have two local mics and want record them separately or send the sound from your computer. This is why you use OBS to handle that. It will use all available inputs. It actually now has Multi track recording capabilities. If I used my ZoomL8 audio interface it has 8 mono inputs available as well as the Master( stereo mix) and the 2 stereo Loopback channels. The Zoom L8 was designed mostly with podcasting in mind. It even has a 1/8" stereo input for cell Phones or Tablets and 6 Sound effect pads. Even with my Motu M4 I can have the the loopback for all internal computer audio and then I can have 4 Live audio inputs. The OP is talking about recording Video Tutorials so that's a simple set up. 1 hour ago, azslow3 said: Virtual multi-ASIO capable interface with multi-loopback is also "the answer" in almost all cases. And that is what Voicemeeter programs are. The only problem they are not stable... Exactly, Voicemeter was one of the first things I tried back a few years ago before I bought the Motu. It worked fine with WASAPI shared mode but then I found the sound quality suffered as well as there was terrible latency when playing midi from a controller. I never got it to work with Cakewalk running ASIO. Mabey they have updated it? But it's also something that can mess with your audio system so that to me is scarry. like using Asio4all kind of. My best solution before I had the Motu was a small mixer that fed my Focusrite 6i6 ( no loopback). I used Outputs 3/4 into the Mixer as well as my mike. The problem was then I had to tell Windows to use 3/4 as the default device so I could playback audio from WinAmp or Foobar for the Narration. PITA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted September 30 Author Share Posted September 30 4 hours ago, azslow3 said: That is "the answer" in case one loopback is sufficient, from what I remember Focusrite has exactly one. But in many situations you need more then one. Exactly - more than one If you want record audio from one program into other, but at the same time record the whole process, you need recorder which can do that (f.e. OBS) or multiple loopbacks. so the story goes... and that is where the VB Audio Cable comes into the game Virtual multi-ASIO capable interface with multi-loopback is also "the answer" in almost all cases. And that is what Voicemeeter programs are. The only problem they are not stable... Well, they are getting better and better... Also support ASIO drivers now! WasaBI is a bit too spicy - it has mega latency, almost worthless, ha ha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bass Guitar Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Apps like voicmeeter are designed for people who are using their computers on board sound card. Why would you want to install iffy 3rd party apps when you own an audio interface? Sonar generally doesn’t like generic audio drivers and staff always advise to remove all of them and only use your interface ASIO drivers. I spotted the FL Studio generic driver in your screenshot which is on the list of things that you need to delete from the registry if you’re having problems with audio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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