Positive Grid announce Bias X Released

[cclarry]

$149 full or $99 Upgrade

https://www.positivegrid.com/pages/bias-x

Edited Tuesday at 09:55 AM by cclarry

[reginaldStjohn]

I gave up on positive grid a year or so ago. The sound was good but the UI was slow to load and other software seemed to get me to my sound faster.

[cclarry]

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[jayeyehaich64]

I'll be waiting at the door, wallet in hand. I own everything else they have made software wise, I personally never ran into any of the often bemoaned issues others seem to, sluggish GUI, sluggish loading etc etc. Haven't used any of it in a number of years, the Hendrix expansion was quite good as with OMNYSS, I owned all of the ChopTones expansions for Amp and FX. That was years ago, feels like it anyway.

TONEX is where it's been since it's release, not really expecting that to change, but I'll give Positive Grids new release a shot and see what happens.

Not long now, 6½ hours if the countdown clock in the earlier Email is correct.

Bring it on, if they can beat TONEX it will be a thing to behold, and will put a big smile on my dial, let's see. 😁

[jayeyehaich64]

Purchased, $99 upgrade for me, I think the full was $149 or something.

Off I go.

[cclarry]

At that price I won't be upgrading.

I've owned just about everything and $99 to upgrade?  I'll pass..

[Brian Walton]

I'm not seeing a trial.

Can't imagine dropping $100 on software that doesn't have a trial where the entire crux of the value is does it do what it says it does as well as you expect it to.

Tone based off a recording is interesting, but I'm betting it doesn't live up to my expectations.  

[jayeyehaich64]

It loads extremely fast, the UI is extremely fast. It's leaps and bounds above any of the BIAS Amp or FX in a lot of ways, they seem to have learnt lessons from the past 😉. I'll keep my thoughts on sound/tone until I've had more time with it. My initial thought was that TONEX was going to be safe as my go to (and only) amp sim, but then I hit the Friedman and JCM800 and Plexi and my opinion changed somewhat, and a smile came across my dial. I still don't think it will roll TONEX, but you never know, I only installed it yesterday afternoon. After checking out all the standard fair, which will take some time on it's own, I can then go into the AI part of things, I came across part of it, but didn't go into it, seems interesting perhaps, different, somewhat unique, but whether it turns out to be something useful and something I personally would use only time will tell. 

4 hours ago, Brian Walton said:

Tone based off a recording is interesting, but I'm betting it doesn't live up to my expectations.  

You could do that in BAIS Amp (1) and ReValver 4 if we are talking about the same thing. I tried it out years ago with couple of Black Sabbath tunes that had Tony Iommi's guitar well isolated at the beginning of the tracks. It worked remarkably well back then, you couldn't tell the difference, I imagine it's only gotten better over time.

Anyway, I'll keep diving into it as time permits, oh, and if anyone does try it out, remember to put that collection of 3rd party cab IR's to good use, not that the cab's included are bad, they aren't, but you know 😉

Edited Tuesday at 06:35 PM by jayeyehaich64

[Brian Walton]

34 minutes ago, jayeyehaich64 said:

It loads extremely fast, the UI is extremely fast. It's leaps and bounds above any of the BIAS Amp or FX in a lot of ways, they seem to have learnt lessons from the past 😉. I'll keep my thoughts on sound/tone until I've had more time with it. My initial thought was that TONEX was going to be safe as my go to (and only) amp sim, but then I hit the Friedman and JCM800 and Plexi and my opinion changed somewhat, and a smile came across my dial. I still don't think it will roll TONEX, but you never know, I only installed it yesterday afternoon. After checking out all the standard fair, which will take some time on it's own, I can then go into the AI part of things, I came across part of it, but didn't go into it, seems interesting perhaps, different, somewhat unique, but whether it turns out to be something useful and something I personally would use only time will tell. 

You could do that in BAIS Amp (1) and ReValver 4 if we are talking about the same thing. I tried it out years ago with couple of Black Sabbath tunes that had Tony Iommi's guitar well isolated at the beginning of the tracks. It worked remarkably well back then, you couldn't tell the difference, I imagine it's only gotten better over time.

Anyway, I'll keep diving into it as time permits, oh, and if anyone does try it out, remember to put that collection of 3rd party cab IR's to good use, not that the cab's included are bad, they aren't, but you know 😉

Yes, they had a "tone match" feature but in my experience it wasn't even remotely close to both the sound and feel of what the amp sounded like.  It is more of an EQ curve plus using the gain structure of a built in tone model.  It might work ok with a Plexi which everyone has, but try matching a unique boutique amp and it fell apart very quickly.  

I also think everyone has different experiences and expectations of this stuff.  How an amp responds to your playing is very important to me and is not accurately captured by that previous technology.  

[locrian]

The AI interface -- if  it works as well as demonstrated in the video below -- would be a huge time-saver.

I've wasted so much time clicking through presets to find the right tone.  Being able to describe what I want in just a few words would be really sweet.

 

Edited yesterday at 02:44 AM by locrian

[jayeyehaich64]

My final thoughts, opinion for the time being would be to stay away and see if, like a fine wine it matures over time, personally I think the chances are slim. As far as sound/tone and feel are concerned, unfortunately it just doesn't have it, certainly not when compared to TONEX, and that's all that concerns me for the time being really. I'll keep an eye on it, but I'm not very confident, perhaps someone like Choptones will come along with some expansion packs to pull it up by the boots. For me I can't waist any more time on it, I gave PG another chance, the fat lady hasn't sung quite yet, but there is a lot of work to do imo to even get close to TONEX. 👎

The AI thing works very well, after my initial pilot error I'm on the track, it works very well👍

Edited 10 hours ago by jayeyehaich64

[jayeyehaich64]

19 hours ago, locrian said:

The AI interface -- if  it works as well as demonstrated in the video below -- would be a huge time-saver.

I've wasted so much time clicking through presets to find the right tone.  Being able to describe what I want in just a few words would be really sweet.

hmmmm, I hope it works out the way you are thinking, buy don't be surprised if it doesn't. It didn't for me.

@locrian

See post further down, pilot error, it works amazingly awesomely well.

Edited 10 hours ago by jayeyehaich64

[locrian]

8 hours ago, jayeyehaich64 said:

hmmmm, I hope it works out the way you are thinking, buy don't be surprised if it doesn't. It didn't for me.

Thanks for letting me know (and saving me $99).

[Brian Walton]

9 hours ago, jayeyehaich64 said:

My final thoughts, opinion for the time being would be to stay away and see if, like a fine wine it matures over time, personally I think the chances are slim. As far as sound/tone and feel are concerned, unfortunately it just doesn't have it, certainly not when compared to TONEX, and that's all that concerns me for the time being really. I'll keep an eye on it, but I'm not very confident, perhaps someone like Choptones will come along with some expansion packs to pull it up by the boots. For me I can't waist any more time on it, I gave PG another chance, the fat lady hasn't sung quite yet, but there is a lot of work to do imo to even get close to TONEX. 👎

So...did you ask for a refund since they don't have a trial?

[jude77]

10 hours ago, jayeyehaich64 said:

My final thoughts, opinion for the time being would be to stay away and see if, like a fine wine it matures over time, personally I think the chances are slim. As far as sound/tone and feel are concerned, unfortunately it just doesn't have it, certainly not when compared to TONEX, and that's all that concerns me for the time being really. I'll keep an eye on it, but I'm not very confident, perhaps someone like Choptones will come along with some expansion packs to pull it up by the boots. For me I can't waist any more time on it, I gave PG another chance, the fat lady hasn't sung quite yet, but there is a lot of work to do imo to even get close to TONEX. 👎

Thanks very much for that!  I appreciate it.  Excellent.

[jayeyehaich64]

HOLD THE BUS - I stayed up all night after I realized it was pilot error with regards to the AI part of BIAS X, it works freaking amazingly lol, it truly does. I've been doing like various artists tone for example Gilmores Lead tone from Pink Floyds Comfortably Numb, worked very well, switch over to my Stratocaster and it was spot on. Same for Brian Mays lead tone for Queens Crazy Little Thin Called Love, switch over to my Telecaster and I could see Freddy beside me, Tony Iommi's rhythm tone for Black Sabbath's Iron Man, grab my SG and there was OZZY, back from the dead, it took 2 or 3 refreshes of the AI thing to get THE one even though the first 2 were fine.

Now I'm going to try out various Amp Tones as apposed to Artist tones.

The Amps themselves a few, Plexi, JCM800, Friedman are very good, there are a few stinkers, but I don't know, maybe they are all just like starting points for various styles. types and not meant to be perfect or something. I don't know

Edited 10 hours ago by jayeyehaich64

[jayeyehaich64]

On 9/24/2025 at 4:59 AM, Brian Walton said:

Yes, they had a "tone match" feature but in my experience it wasn't even remotely close to both the sound and feel of what the amp sounded like.  It is more of an EQ curve plus using the gain structure of a built in tone model.  It might work ok with a Plexi which everyone has, but try matching a unique boutique amp and it fell apart very quickly.  

I also think everyone has different experiences and expectations of this stuff.  How an amp responds to your playing is very important to me and is not accurately captured by that previous technology.  

I was going to let it go, but . . .

Choptones would be very interested to speak with you on how their Boutique Amp Expansion's  "fell apart very quickly" 😁 I don't think you have a solid grip on it, have you had Choptones expansion Packs for BIAS Amp(1)? I didn't think so, I own all of them , I can give you Livio of Choptones contact if you would like to discuss it with him😁

How an Amp responds is important to everyone, previous tech-see abaove

Edited 10 hours ago by jayeyehaich64

[jayeyehaich64]

6 hours ago, Brian Walton said:

So...did you ask for a refund since they don't have a trial?

Not a chance, not even if it was a complete flop, it's only $99, well $150 after conversion to $AU

I can keep an eye on how things are going and recheck it out any time I wish, so it's fine with me.

[jayeyehaich64]

5 hours ago, jude77 said:

Thanks very much for that!  I appreciate it.  Excellent.

If you are interested in it, check again

[jayeyehaich64]

7 hours ago, locrian said:

Thanks for letting me know (and saving me $99).

Perhaps rethink spending that money, pilot error on my part with the AI, it works awesomely well so far.