Cynicism with age....

[hockeyjx]

Sadly, the older I get, the more I won't go and see "legacy" 80's bands live. 90 times out of a 100, it is primarily because the singer has lost too many steps, and they tune a step down(sometimes to the absolute detriment of the songs). I believe too many bands of that era (and shoot, throw in some 90's bands as well) are just NOT that good live, and disappoint me. I can't spend high cash for mediocrity (though cheap cash is ok).

Am I the only one that feels this way? Am I a jerk(rhetorical)?

[504 lover lover]

i'm similar, not really interested in old bands ploughing the hits mine, but having said that a friend had a spare ticket (another story) for happy mondays last weekend and they were surprisingly good and enjoyable, so you never know

[Terry Kelley]

I get what you are saying. When the lead singer has to shout or talk the lyrics because the can't hit the notes anymore or when they can no longer do either they point the mic at the audience for a "sing along", it's time to stop. This isn't true for EVERYONE. Some singers can decline and still be entertaining. Robert Plant just doesn't sing a lot of the older stuff. Assuming he remembers the lyrics.

I understand that some artists sing in the studio notes and phrase that are hard on their voice to do night after night and need to pitch down some but at some point their voice is shot. I don't want my last image of being their inability to sing well. Even one of my favorites - Paul McCartney needs to wrap it up. And I hate saying that. David Lee Roth has to shout the lyrics now because he can't hit the notes. I don't want that memory.

Then we have the band where the only original member is the third bass player brought in after they had been around for 20 years but was the only one smart enough to copyright the band name. 

[504 lover lover]

20 minutes ago, Terry Kelley said:

shout the lyrics now because he can't hit the note

and i was under the impression that it's easier to hit a note at higher volume haha

21 minutes ago, Terry Kelley said:

Then we have the band where the only original member is the third bass player brought in after they had been around for 20 years but was the only one smart enough to copyright the band name. 

names pls haha

[Terry Kelley]

What and ruin the illusion?

[hockeyjx]

Ozzy was tuning down to like C#, and all the songs sound nothing like they should (especially the first 2 albums in standard). Paul Stanley was embarrassing himself for the last 3 years of KI$$ (and relying on a guide vocal). Bon Jovi flat out stole money the last tour he did (and he was never the best singer in Bon Jovi anyway).

King's X still is decent, but dUg can't hit the highs anymore, and I can't blame him ...because he's 74!!!! But at least their tickets are ridiculously priced.

I get a half-step for touring (say Toad the Wet Sprocket and Vertical Horizon for a couple), but they still sound good.

[Terry Kelley]

Gino Vannelli still sounds good but he says he used a vocal coach for many years to save his voice. It too will go at some point. He teaches sing now to boot.

Edited 14 hours ago by Terry Kelley

[504 lover lover]

1 hour ago, Terry Kelley said:

Gino 

R u hz agent? 

[Notes_Norton]

I don't go to rock concerts at all anymore. 

I go to the Symphony, if it's one I like and to jazz clubs. But after making a living playing rock for decade after decade, I want to hear something that I can't cover (symphony) or something that will surprise me (jazz improvs).

What gets under my skin the most is tribute bands getting big ticket prices. In cover bands, we did everybody and worked in bars for whatever they pay (never enough). This band decides to do nothing but _____ songs and gets big bucks????????



♫ Insights and incites by Notes ♫

 

[hockeyjx]

3 minutes ago, Notes_Norton said:

What gets under my skin the most is tribute bands getting big ticket prices. I

Like the farse that is Foreigner????? That is crazy.

[57Gregy]

6 hours ago, Terry Kelley said:

Gino Vannelli

I haven't heard/read that name in decades and now I have 2 times this week. What do I do???

[Rain]

And then there's the good old trick of turning the microphone to the crowd for the tough parts. 

Mostly, I'm not much of a fan of live music because in many cases, it's not about music, but the experience. For starters, it's way too loud to be intelligible. And then there's people and all the idiots with their cell phones... I feel that the senses are overwhelmed by everything that's going on so it's quite hard to appreciate the music. Which might seem ironic, coming from a KISS fan.  But that's actually the point I guess.

I finally saw KISS in 2014 during their residency. I love their music, regardless of the image and the gimmicks. But I went to the show for the experience, precisely to have my senses overwhelmed. Paul's voice had been busted for years, and even on their last studio albums, it's difficult for me not to cringe when I hear him.

But when I was in the pit in front of the stage that night, I couldn't have cared less. I was 8 again, and I had the judgement of an 8 year old, so they got away with it. As a matter of fact, Simmons was solid, and Eric and Tommy played like the pros they are - regardless of whether we think they should or shouldn't be there. 

Now, when I watched the blu-ray and listened to the CD, that was a whole other story. I was there when some of those songs were recorded, and Paul's songs - reworked as they may be in the studio - are difficult to get through. And that's being generous.

So in a sense I guess I understand why people buy tickets to see those old-timers. It isn't really about the music. Especially not nowadays. I feel that a lot of people spend more time filming themselves "having fun" at the show and posting about it on social media than actually watching the show. 

Me I think I'm done.  Especially when I see the prices they are charging these days...

I was 14 when I saw Metallica and Metal Church for $11 on the Puppets tour, the equivalent of a little less than 3 hrs work at min. wage. And I was right there in front of the stage, maybe 40-50 ft away from Hetfield. I even managed to find one of his picks and one of Jasons's after the show. No other band will ever be as important to me as Metallica was back then. I worshiped those guys.  

So the idea of spending the equivalent of 2 or 3 grocery bills to watch a bunch of old geezers on a giant screen from the nosebleed and to have to deal with all the human interaction, meh... Regardless of the singer's abilities. Best of cases, I'll wait for the bluray.

Edited 6 hours ago by Rain

[Terry Kelley]

2 hours ago, 57Gregy said:

I haven't heard/read that name in decades and now I have 2 times this week. What do I do???

Crank him up!

[Terry Kelley]

3 hours ago, 57Gregy said:

I haven't heard/read that name in decades and now I have 2 times this week. What do I do???

Listen to some Gentle Giant to counter balance it. 

I have to learn how to work the internet.

Edited 4 hours ago by Terry Kelley