chakko Posted Sunday at 11:32 AM Share Posted Sunday at 11:32 AM Reading through a few of these "Will Sonar be available as a standalone purchase/perpetual license soon?", I always read the same reply, that it might come one day, but, that both Sonar and Cakewalk next are only available with a Bandlab subscription at the moment. I think that's the case for over a year now, and, I really don't see any indication for that to change at some point, apart from half-hearted and vague hints that there could be a perpetual license option available at some point. Which could be tomorrow, next year, in five years, or never. Frankly, my money is on never. It doesn't look to me at all as if they sill had planned to sell a perpetual license for Sonar. I wonder how many people still use CbB instead, because of this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted Sunday at 12:39 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:39 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakko Posted Sunday at 03:23 PM Author Share Posted Sunday at 03:23 PM Let's hope they don't walk straight into a dead end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted Sunday at 03:38 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:38 PM 4 hours ago, chakko said: Reading through a few of these "Will Sonar be available as a standalone purchase/perpetual license soon?", I always read the same reply, that it might come one day, but, that both Sonar and Cakewalk next are only available with a Bandlab subscription at the moment. I think that's the case for over a year now, and, I really don't see any indication for that to change at some point, apart from half-hearted and vague hints that there could be a perpetual license option available at some point. Which could be tomorrow, next year, in five years, or never. Frankly, my money is on never. It doesn't look to me at all as if they sill had planned to sell a perpetual license for Sonar. I wonder how many people still use CbB instead, because of this situation. It was made clear by someone at Bandlab outside this forum a year or so back that it would never happen. If it finally does it will be because they changed their minds and not because they finally made a decision. The decision has been made. Where’s my thread lock icon… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakko Posted Sunday at 05:52 PM Author Share Posted Sunday at 05:52 PM 2 hours ago, Terry Kelley said: It was made clear by someone at Bandlab outside this forum a year or so back that it would never happen. If it finally does it will be because they changed their minds and not because they finally made a decision. The decision has been made. That's bad. Especially as it has been communicated some time ago that there WILL be a perpetual license. Guess that's how plans change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted Sunday at 06:48 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:48 PM 53 minutes ago, chakko said: That's bad. Especially as it has been communicated some time ago that there WILL be a perpetual license. Guess that's how plans change. maybe provide a reference to the post where Bandlab or the Cakewalk team articulated there WILL be a perpetual license? perpetual licenses are a thing of the past. Studio One for example, claims to have a perpetual license. all you have to do is buy the new version every year LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakko Posted Sunday at 06:55 PM Author Share Posted Sunday at 06:55 PM (edited) 7 minutes ago, Glenn Stanton said: maybe provide a reference to the post where Bandlab or the Cakewalk team articulated there WILL be a perpetual license? perpetual licenses are a thing of the past. Studio One for example, claims to have a perpetual license. all you have to do is buy the new version every year LOL. Well, at least you can continue to use the software after a year, unlike a subscription service. Thus "perpetual" license. I would have to dig deep to find the posts stating that there will be a perpetual license, but, I wouldn't remember if, if it hadn't been stated multiple times, also by developers here. Edited Sunday at 06:56 PM by chakko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
504 lover lover Posted Sunday at 06:58 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:58 PM i think the closest we got was "we'll consider it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted Sunday at 06:59 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:59 PM (edited) i find that skipping two or three starbucks coffees per month pays for my bandlab membership. i didn't find the time to stress over it and sure as heck wasn't going to another DAW because of it. Edited Sunday at 06:59 PM by Glenn Stanton 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakko Posted Sunday at 07:02 PM Author Share Posted Sunday at 07:02 PM 3 minutes ago, 504 lover lover said: i think the closest we got was "we'll consider it" Really? I could've sworn it was announced. Wasn't that whole "Early access" through Bandlab membership meant as a preview to the perpetual license? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted Sunday at 07:04 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:04 PM no, pretty sure "early access" was to give folks a discount on the Bandlab Membership and obtain an early Sonar release... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakko Posted Sunday at 07:08 PM Author Share Posted Sunday at 07:08 PM Guess I totally misunderstood their plans then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr No Name Posted Sunday at 07:41 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:41 PM does Sonar work on Mac? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted Sunday at 07:49 PM Share Posted Sunday at 07:49 PM (edited) Nope. Seems Next was supposed to. The Bandlab people here did everything they could to say no without saying no. There wasn’t much vagueness though. They finally had to start locking threads about it. Like this one will be shortly. Edited Sunday at 07:55 PM by Terry Kelley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakko Posted Sunday at 08:00 PM Author Share Posted Sunday at 08:00 PM (edited) 11 minutes ago, Terry Kelley said: The Bandlab people here did everything they could to say no without saying no. That's the thing. If the answer is no, just say so. Then nothing is unclear. No need to beat around the bush. Edited Sunday at 08:00 PM by chakko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Stanton Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago i think the main challenge was the lack of marketing people coming on the forum to explain their approach vs the developers who don't control the marketing and sales aspect... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago Yeah, the developers aren’t the bad guys here and they took the brunt of the vitriol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr No Name Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, Terry Kelley said: Yeah, the developers aren’t the bad guys here and they took the brunt of the vitriol. that's what cowardice looks like, bandlab got all the money and let cakewalk /sonar deal with all the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chakko Posted 9 hours ago Author Share Posted 9 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, Glenn Stanton said: i think the main challenge was the lack of marketing people coming on the forum to explain their approach vs the developers who don't control the marketing and sales aspect... It rather appears to me as if Bandlab takes all the business decisions. The developers probably didn't know what they can say and what they couldn't. It's really strange most of the time. I'm pretty sure most people would be able to take a statement like "Sonar will be subscription only". No need to wrap people up in cotton wool. A clear statement is worth gold, while beating around the bush doesn't help anybody. If things are clear, I can consider what to do. If they aren't clear, I can't consider what to do. My personal opinion is, though, that this is a terrible decision. It will neither get Bandlab a lot of Sonar users, nor will it benefit Bandlab memberships in my eyes. Edited 9 hours ago by chakko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
User 905133 Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago Quote Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. This this I add, "add patience for those who insist on bringing the subscription issue up again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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