CbB works - Sonar crashes

[Astraios]

I have a number of projects that work well and smoothly in the free CbB, but constantly crash in the actual Sonar paid version. I also get the famous Cakewalk service, which tells me these are all just VST issues caused by the plugin manufacturers...

[Wookiee]

1 hour ago, Astraios said:

I have a number of projects that work well and smoothly in the free CbB, but constantly crash in the actual Sonar paid version. I also get the famous Cakewalk service, which tells me these are all just VST issues caused by the plugin manufacturers...

Are the crashes creating dump files, if so have you looked at those? When you get a crash do you get a crash message. 

Have you looked in the Windows Event Viewer? 

You also have to remember it may well be the VST, as we were told here, many VST builders don't do extensive testing on the Windows/PC platforms, and if they do,  they are frequently only tested in the DAW's perceived to be the most popular ones. 

What VST's are you having issues with?

[Astraios]

Sonar simply blows off the screen. No error message. Occasionally, there's a crash message for Arturia "Spark2 (VST2)," but it's not permanent and usually resolves upon reloading. There are particular issues with SubLab (FAW), although one OP wrote that he has no problem with it. I have a simple project in Sonar with Sublab, and it doesn't cause any problems. The crashes are very often related to the Synthrack, regardless of whether it's docked or floating... 

Sometimes I just have to click on an instrument (VI) in Synthrack, and Sonar is off and running without a dump file. In projects with SubLab, I can no longer pause the transport bar and control Sonar. The Windows Task Manager doesn't display an error message for Sonar. Hm, in CbB no problem with the same project.

Edited Wednesday at 01:29 PM by Astraios

[Astraios]

Windows Event Viewer:

 

+System

-Provider

[ Name]Application Error

[ Guid]{a0e9b465-b939-57d7-b27d-95d8e925ff57}

EventID1000

Version0

Level2

Task100

Opcode0

Keywords0x8000000000000000

-TimeCreated

[ SystemTime]2025-05-02T01:30:18.8375494Z

EventRecordID35843

Correlation

-Execution

[ ProcessID]61804

[ ThreadID]80572

ChannelApplication

ComputerHP-Saturn-PC

-Security

[ UserID]S-1-5-21-3576801572-1197287183-2583722495-1002

-EventData

AppNameSonar.exe

AppVersion31.2.0.77

AppTimeStamp67d8254f

ModuleNameCOMCTL32.dll

ModuleVersion6.10.26100.3624

ModuleTimeStamp737ecd9c

ExceptionCodec0000409

FaultingOffset000000000003f9c8

ProcessId0x9f98

ProcessCreationTime0x1dbbb002d697d03

AppPathC:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Sonar\Sonar.exe

ModulePathC:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\amd64_microsoft.windows.common-controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.26100.3624_none_3e086962e3345f24\COMCTL32.dll

IntegratorReportId2705159f-fa1d-49f8-bffc-ad4c88184b73

PackageFullName

PackageRelativeAppId

 

### and a reference to: nvlddmkm, which probably has something to do with the graphics driver ###

Edited Wednesday at 02:30 PM by Astraios

[Wookiee]

@Astraios, Could you provide more details on your complete system, CPU, RAM, Disks, GPU, Audio card etc. It may help us help you.

I have had Arturia's Spark since its release, not used it much but not had any crashes with it either. No experience with Sublab, I assume you have the 64 bit version installed? 

That appears to be a Nvidia reference, do you have the latest Game driver installed, I am aware that a recent Nvidia driver was a disaster. 

[Astraios]

So, after completely uninstalling all Nvidia drivers (using DDU) and reinstalling some older drivers, I couldn't notice any difference from the crashes I had before. I have a complex startup project I created in CbB with maybe 8 soft synths, just as many EQs, some Audio Tracks, and a few Plugins. Then I got the idea to recreate this project from scratch in Sonar—and ta-taah!—it seems to be working without a hitch. Everything is exactly the same as in the CbB project, but this time it's set up in Sonar...? I don't understand any of this! Should I recreate all of my CbB projects in Sonar? Ha haaahh, no way!!🥶

I'll record a YouTube clip to demonstrate the scenario. Then you'll all be able to see that *cwp is stable in CbB but crashes in Sonar. What does this have to do with the Nvidia drivers or my RAM?

Edited Wednesday at 08:04 PM by Astraios

[Wookiee]

48 minutes ago, Astraios said:

 What does this have to do with the Nvidia drivers or my RAM?

It is not unusual to ask for systems specs when trying to resolve technical problems, if you don't understand that not a lot I can do to help. Regarding Graphics drivers I wonder if you actually read what I said. I learnt that a recent Nvidia graphics driver bricked systems. Do you understand that?

[Astraios]

1 hour ago, Wookiee said:

It is not unusual to ask for systems specs when trying to resolve technical problems, if you don't understand that not a lot I can do to help. Regarding Graphics drivers I wonder if you actually read what I said. I learnt that a recent Nvidia graphics driver bricked systems. Do you understand that?

In the hierarchy of karma I am below you (Under-Stand) I'm just dust in the wind - just be careful not to get it in your eyes. Thx anyway for trying to help 💔

[AB9]

Did you try opening your Cwb projects in Sonar in safe mode?   You might want to try that. Then add the plugins you want.

I am just curious if that works.

 

[Wookiee]

1 hour ago, Astraios said:

In the hierarchy of karma I am below you (Under-Stand) I'm just dust in the wind - just be careful not to get it in your eyes. Thx anyway for trying to help 💔

Protective measures are always deployed when it is apparent what one is dealing with.