Astraios Posted Wednesday at 09:16 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 09:16 PM (edited) Hi and Hello 🧑🚀 There are strange problems with Win Sublab VST2/3 and Win Sublab XL VST2/3 in my Sonar DAW. Everything works fine until I press the DAW’s start/play button – then Sonar freezes, and I can only close it via the Windows Task Manager. I’m using ASIO drivers and have tried a lot of things to solve the problem. Hmm, I didn’t have this problem with Sublab before. Does anyone have any ideas? This only happens with Sublab Synth. Does anybody work with this PlugIn too? Edited Wednesday at 10:08 PM by Astraios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted Wednesday at 10:19 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:19 PM Works fine here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Promidi Posted Thursday at 06:16 AM Share Posted Thursday at 06:16 AM You are going to have to give us more information. Which audio interface? Have you updated the drivers. When you say “I’m using ASIO drivers” , are these native ASIO drivers and not a wrapper (like ASIO4ALL, Magix Low Latency, etc) What Samplerate, bit depth and buffer size are you using. What are your PC specs? (Cpu and generation?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted Thursday at 05:14 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 05:14 PM 10 hours ago, Promidi said: Which audio interface? Have you updated the drivers. When you say “I’m using ASIO drivers” , are these native ASIO drivers and not a wrapper (like ASIO4ALL, Magix Low Latency, etc) What Samplerate, bit depth and buffer size are you using. No Asio4All - Focusrite 2|2 - strange, as far as I've observed, it only occurs with SubLab; otherwise, no problems, and I use about 100 VSTs... All is running on a Z2 HP Workstation 32 GB Ram. Thx anyway for respond 💯 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted Thursday at 05:16 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 05:16 PM 18 hours ago, Will. said: Works fine here. Cool, I had no problems with it a few weeks ago either - bad luck, it'll probably take days until I get it working again... Good to know, thx for your comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted Thursday at 06:55 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:55 PM 1 hour ago, Astraios said: Cool, I had no problems with it a few weeks ago either - bad luck, it'll probably take days until I get it working again... Good to know, thx for your comment Try to reinstall it, but do a clean uninstall first. Remove it from the registry too, and look for any other vst dll an delete them all - then reinstall it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted Thursday at 09:50 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 09:50 PM 2 hours ago, Will. said: Try to reinstall it, but do a clean uninstall first. Remove it from the registry too, and look for any other vst dll an delete them all - then reinstall it. Thx for inspiration!! So, this is what I did: - uninstalled Sublab - deleted all *.dlls (VST2 and VST3) - deleted all SubLab registry entries (there were many) - then restarted PC - new installation of SubLab XL You know what! Still the same problem! I can start a project with SubLab and edit everything until I press the play button - then only the play bar runs, and Sonar crashes (freeze...?). There's no error message, and I can only close the program via the task manager. Hmm, the task manager doesn't say that Sonar has crashed either. This is just really annoying - I've been experiencing this for 20 years - always something new like this. Ha, ha great show... but in the end it will turn out, I have done something "wrong" again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted Thursday at 09:58 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:58 PM 1 minute ago, Astraios said: There's no error message, and I can only close the program via the task manager. Hmm, the task manager doesn't say that Sonar has crashed either. Start a new two measure groove and when it freezes up again - create a dumb file and send that in. You can send it directly to support, or attach it here. Lastly: Which OS are you on - not that this would matter at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberwolf Posted Thursday at 10:02 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:02 PM Did the plugin update itself (or was it manually updated or changed) between the time it worked and the time it didn't? Did anything else on the system update itself (or was manually updated or changed) between the tiem it worked and the time it didn't? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted Thursday at 10:21 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 10:21 PM (edited) I thought so, it seems to have something to do with the Nvidia graphics issue. So, next I'll uninstall that Nvidia app—I think that'll fix it... If sonar really freezes, then this is usually also commented in the Task Manager - but this is not the case here - that is strange Edited Thursday at 10:48 PM by Astraios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted 21 hours ago Author Share Posted 21 hours ago (edited) See, full edition to SubLab XL until I hit the Spacebar... Bildschirmaufnahme 2025-04-25 130131.mp4 Edited 21 hours ago by Astraios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted 21 hours ago Author Share Posted 21 hours ago 13 hours ago, Amberwolf said: Did the plugin update itself (or was it manually updated or changed) between the time it worked and the time it didn't? Did anything else on the system update itself (or was manually updated or changed) between the tiem it worked and the time it didn't? I had to reset my PC a few weeks ago. All my personal data remained intact, but I had to reinstall all my programs. It wasn't a fun experience... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will. Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Astraios said: I had to reset my PC a few weeks ago. Theres your issue. Resetting you system probably removed a very important communication file from your OS it needs which only a clean reinstall of the OS might replace. I typically do a clean install of my OS system too 2or 3 times a year. It keeps my Overall performce smooth and eliminates DAW crashes. Edited 19 hours ago by Will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted 17 hours ago Author Share Posted 17 hours ago 2 hours ago, Will. said: Theres your issue. Resetting you system probably removed a very important communication file from your OS it needs which only a clean reinstall of the OS might replace. I typically do a clean install of my OS system too 2or 3 times a year. It keeps my Overall performce smooth and eliminates DAW crashes. As I mentioned before, this problem only occurs with SubLab... If I use "Show Desktop" in the taskbar at the bottom right and then bring up Sonar again, I get the controls back. Very strange - it has something to do with the graphics... I'm sure and I'll find out. Just wait aother few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted 15 hours ago Author Share Posted 15 hours ago (edited) If the SubLab GUI is inactive, even recording is going on and the playback bar works without problems - only then you can no longer operate the synth... strange Mein Video-1.mp4 Edited 15 hours ago by Astraios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr No Name Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago sublab is junk and the people who run it are clowns, better getting off your computer imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted 12 hours ago Author Share Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, Mr No Name said: sublab is junk and the people who run it are clowns, better getting off your computer imo. 🤡 that's shurly true, who could know better than me? 💯🤡 The DAW is the circus, plugins are the attractions, audio and MIDI are the audience, and the clown makes fun of all this crap. Edited 11 hours ago by Astraios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr No Name Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 35 minutes ago, Astraios said: 🤡 that's shurly true, who could know better than me? 💯🤡 The DAW is the circus, plugins are the attractions, audio and MIDI are the audience, and the clown makes fun of all this crap. I had an issue with them a couple of years ago, they have a forum which if you're lucky and are able to find to voice your issue, you might get a reply from an employee within about 3 weeks. They have exactly 3 plugins that are all about 10 years old and they constantly have coding issues or some problem. I would recommend trying something else for your 808 kick drums, there are a few decent ones. It is definately not Sonar causing your problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraios Posted 10 hours ago Author Share Posted 10 hours ago 38 minutes ago, Mr No Name said: I had an issue with them a couple of years ago, they have a forum which if you're lucky and are able to find to voice your issue, you might get a reply from an employee within about 3 weeks. They have exactly 3 plugins that are all about 10 years old and they constantly have coding issues or some problem. I would recommend trying something else for your 808 kick drums, there are a few decent ones. It is definately not Sonar causing your problem. you're right, bro, it seems like I'm wasting my time with this stuff - thx for inspiration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amberwolf Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 6 hours ago, Astraios said: The DAW is the circus, plugins are the attractions, audio and MIDI are the audience, and the clown makes fun of all this crap. This clown (me) makes fun *with* all this crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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