STOP/Play sends MIDI Pan reset?

[shane]

I have an old wonderful synth: Sequential Prophet VS

As one of the programmable functions, you can pan each voice differently-- I typically go full left/right with alternating voices. 

When I hit STOP then PLAY in Sonar, it seems to be sending a MIDI Pan = 0 message. This of course overrides the voice panning back to the value of "Center"

Originally, I thought maybe "Zero controllers on playback" was checked, but it isn't. 

Is there a way to override this via a toggle in TTSSEQ.ini or something? 

[Bass Guitar]

All midi settings like level. Pan, Channel.Bank and program change are handled by the track header.  The minute you touch the Pan or the Level that embeds a controller message in the midi data for that track. It will reset on playback. Take note that it does not show on the events list ( ??) 

Example if you set the pan hard left and choose the Bass patch on channel 2 in the track header, Then in the TTS-1 in Channel 2 choose a guitar and set the pan hard right it will all change back the minute you hit the spacebar.  

Edited April 5 by Bass Guitar

[Promidi]

Yes, regardless of the "Zero controllers on playback" or “MIDI Event Chase on Play” setting, the CC10 MIDI event is sent using the MIDI track’s PAN position as the value.

What I would do is, in the MIDI track being sent to the Prophet VS,  add a CC10 value at the start of your track in measure 1.

Of course, you need to have  “MIDI Event Chase on Play” enabled for this to be sent when play starts.

[msmcleod]

19 hours ago, Promidi said:

Yes, regardless of the "Zero controllers on playback" or “MIDI Event Chase on Play” setting, the CC10 MIDI event is sent using the MIDI track’s PAN position as the value.

If you don't want the pan to be sent for whatever reason (e.g. maybe you've changed your mind, or you've decided to set it within the synth itself), you can right click on the pan knob and select "Disable Control" from the context menu.  This will effectively give a setting of "no value" for the pan and a CC10 won't be sent.

[Promidi]

5 hours ago, msmcleod said:

you can right click on the pan knob and select "Disable Control" from the context menu

(edit)
Scratch everything I just said.  I was looking at the wrong track of a SIT.  Rechecked on a MIDI track and there it was... .

Are you sure about that? 

I right clicked on the Pan control in a MIDI track and there is definitely no "Disable Control" on the context menu.   I checked in inspector and the  TV.

The closest is "Disable Remote Control" (The last item).  However, this only pertains to Remote Control (and even then, if set)

Maybe I am missing something - any chance of a screen shot?

Edited April 6 by Promidi

[Amberwolf]

1 hour ago, Promidi said:

I right clicked on the Pan control in a MIDI track and there is definitely no "Disable Control" on the context menu.   I checked in inspector and the  TV.

 

Just in case: 

In my ancient SONAR the disable control is only available on the actual MIDI track controls (including inspector view of those controls), not on a synth's track controls.

I don't use the combined synth/midi tracks so I don't know how they appear there. (and I don't have the modern Sonar to compare with). 

[Promidi]

2 minutes ago, Amberwolf said:

Just in case: 

In my ancient SONAR the disable control is only available on the actual MIDI track controls (including inspector view of those controls), not on a synth's track controls.

I don't use the combined synth/midi tracks so I don't know how they appear there. (and I don't have the modern Sonar to compare with). 

Whoops my bad.  I was looking on a SIT - and even then I was looking at the audio track component.

I just checked on a MIDI track  -  .... Right clicked the pan knob, and there it was.........  “Disable Control” -   laughing at me.....

[shane]

6 hours ago, msmcleod said:

If you don't want the pan to be sent for whatever reason (e.g. maybe you've changed your mind, or you've decided to set it within the synth itself), you can right click on the pan knob and select "Disable Control" from the context menu.  This will effectively give a setting of "no value" for the pan and a CC10 won't be sent.

OH SH!T

This worked perfectly, thanks @msmcleod!

The Prophet VS from when MIDI was in its infancy translates MIDI Pan to be Global (like Volume), so MIDI Pan at 0 resets center pan every one of the 8 voices. 

Disabling this now defeats it.