Paul P Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I've been waiting a while for this one : https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/3-Studio-Tools/93-Music-Theory-Tools/3933-Scaler 40% off + free iZotope Nectar Elements if you haven't already gotten it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Paul P said: I've been waiting a while for this one : https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/3-Studio-Tools/93-Music-Theory-Tools/3933-Scaler 40% off + free iZotope Nectar Elements if you haven't already gotten it. That's the one I was waiting for too! Thanks for the heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAGinz Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Has anyone out there used this? I’m a bit intrigued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, LAGinz said: Has anyone out there used this? I’m a bit intrigued. The following videos convinced me to add Scaler to my wish list a couple of months ago (they are quite long but stick with it).. https://youtu.be/JYiHQrrLHuQ (part 1) https://youtu.be/cV3srv2Wq3M (part 2) I already have a ton of plugins similar to this, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, but this seems to be really good for playing around with modal interchange - finding chords or sequences of chords that work to replace existing chords to spice up a sequence. So you can start with a nice but standard chord sequence and develop it into something more interesting. You don't need Scaler to do this but it makes it quicker to experiment with all of the different options. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antler Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Seems interesting - I watched a shorter video on it to get an overall feel and was hoping someone would be able to fill in the gaps on something for me. The video I watched mentioned that it can suggest certain chord progressions in a particular style: in demo, the guy clicked on one of the options and a chord progression appeared in the top section of the plugin. Are those more like presets (i.e. you get the same progression each time), or is it something more like 'give me some chords in the style of' and it generates them according to some algorithm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, ZincT said: The following videos convinced me to add Scaler to my wish list a couple of months ago (they are quite long but stick with it).. https://youtu.be/JYiHQrrLHuQ (part 1) https://youtu.be/cV3srv2Wq3M (part 2) I already have a ton of plugins similar to this, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, but this seems to be really good for playing around with modal interchange - finding chords or sequences of chords that work to replace existing chords to spice up a sequence. So you can start with a nice but standard chord sequence and develop it into something more interesting. You don't need Scaler to do this but it makes it quicker to experiment with all of the different options. Outside of the ridiculioiusly long demo....seems the main thing it lacks is the ability to have built in variable output (wihout using an external arp). Something like this Program combined with InstaChord type of "strumming/variation" on how the notes within the chord are played would take this to another level. Going to have to think about this one. My only real suggetion to Bandlab is getting a tool like this within the interface itself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Sorrels Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 They are just presets, but it does seem to have the ability to offer alternatives to any chord choice (either you made or you got from a preset progression). It can also detect chords you play into it and suggest a key/scale combination that works with that. Seems to have an flexible UI for switching voices and choosing inversions. I've only played with a bit but I do like it more than others I have. The UI resizes and is very effective, lots of these MIDI plugins haven't kept up with modern UI styles or are buggy, this seem remarkably stable and cleanly laid out. The presets are fairly extensive, including traditional "styles" and also some artist based presets (though no one I've heard of). So far I like the keyboard playback mode the most, where you assign a bunch of chords (from whatever well you want to get them from) to the white keys c2-c3. So you don't have to worry about playing, you can just "jam" with the progression. I have other MIDI plugins that have the same feature but this just feel more usable. Maybe it's because of how easy it is to setup the chords or the quality of the built in instruments (which you don't have to use, you can send it to your favorite synths of course). The arp modes seem a bit weak (it doesn't play arp'ed chords just single notes) and the strum doesn't have as many options as say instascaler. So far though I like it. This class of plugin has a lot of duds, so perhaps my expectations weren't that high. Will have to see once I get my head around everything it does if I still like it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluzdog Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 11:33 AM, ZincT said: The following videos convinced me to add Scaler to my wish list a couple of months ago (they are quite long but stick with it).. https://youtu.be/JYiHQrrLHuQ (part 1) https://youtu.be/cV3srv2Wq3M (part 2) I already have a ton of plugins similar to this, each with their own strengths and weaknesses, but this seems to be really good for playing around with modal interchange - finding chords or sequences of chords that work to replace existing chords to spice up a sequence. So you can start with a nice but standard chord sequence and develop it into something more interesting. You don't need Scaler to do this but it makes it quicker to experiment with all of the different options. This guy's approach to modal chord substitution is fantastic!!! Thanks for posting these videos. Rocky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, bluzdog said: This guy's approach to modal chord substitution is fantastic!!! Thanks for posting these videos. Rocky Glad I'm not the only one to think that Rocky! I treat them as reference material now. Despite the length of the first video he has somehow manages to distill a lot of theory into a few basic rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 But those mouse clicks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joakim Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 On 11/18/2019 at 6:07 PM, LAGinz said: Has anyone out there used this? I’m a bit intrigued. Yes, I use it all the time. It’s at the core of my workflow, especially when trying to decipher other people’s music (find chords, new progressions, scales etc). The presets can be very inspirational as well, Highly recommended and I’ve tried several similar plugins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yan Filiatrault Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 (edited) Just read somewhere else that Scaler 2 will be released soon. Might want to wait. Edited November 20, 2019 by Yan Filiatrault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Walton Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Yan Filiatrault said: Just read somewhere else that Scaler 2 will be released soon. Might want to wait. Already purchased, but you have a link to the source? Also, a new version is perhaps uncharted territory for PB's own plugins. V1.1 to 1.8 have all been free updates, some of which added quite a few decent features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 There’ll be an upgrade price for v1 owners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Sorrels Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Here's the post with as much information as I've seen https://forum.scalerplugin.com/t/scaler-2-0-update/1289 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zo Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 Intrigued ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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