Sonar 2025.02 Feedback

[aleo]

Mark,

Thanks for responding.   I'm not very familiar with making video of Sonar, but I'll give it a try.  Meanwhile, I've attached two more screenshots that will illustrate the problem almost as well.   This problem has not occurred on either my new or old DAW when I've moved audio clips, but it occurs consistently when I move either MIDI or Instrument clips as shown in the attached screenshots.

Screenshot 1 shows a MIDI track with two clips and a volume envelope--everything is normal.   

Screenshot 2 shows what Sonar does when you move or drag the last clip a bit to the left--notice that Sonar creates a new node on the right edge of the moved clip along with a jump line that connects to the fragment of the original envelope that was left behind.

Screenshot 3 (attached to my previous post) shows what happens if you try to delete the node on the right edge.

Hope this helps; hope you can help us.  Of the four problems mentioned in my previous post, this is the most troublesome as we rely heavily on automation envelopes for our mixdowns.  Until the end of 2024 they worked great in Sonar and we've never experienced this problem when we used CbB.

 

 

[Amberwolf]

Is it possible you have "select track envelopes with selected clips" enabled?   

That would move the track envelopes with the clip when you move the clip. 

I don't know where that is in the current version, but in ancient versions it was in the dropdown on the Select (mouse arrow icon)  button in the toolbar. 

[aleo]

Amberwolf,

Thanks for your suggestion.  We are shut down tonight owing to heavy thunderstorms approaching.  Will check this tomorrow. 

[msmcleod]

15 hours ago, aleo said:

Mark,

Thanks for responding.   I'm not very familiar with making video of Sonar, but I'll give it a try.  Meanwhile, I've attached two more screenshots that will illustrate the problem almost as well.   This problem has not occurred on either my new or old DAW when I've moved audio clips, but it occurs consistently when I move either MIDI or Instrument clips as shown in the attached screenshots.

Screenshot 1 shows a MIDI track with two clips and a volume envelope--everything is normal.   

Screenshot 2 shows what Sonar does when you move or drag the last clip a bit to the left--notice that Sonar creates a new node on the right edge of the moved clip along with a jump line that connects to the fragment of the original envelope that was left behind.

Screenshot 3 (attached to my previous post) shows what happens if you try to delete the node on the right edge.

Hope this helps; hope you can help us.  Of the four problems mentioned in my previous post, this is the most troublesome as we rely heavily on automation envelopes for our mixdowns.  Until the end of 2024 they worked great in Sonar and we've never experienced this problem when we used CbB.

 

 

Screenshot 2 looks correct to me.

The envelope value at the end of the second clip is retained by adding a node of that value where the end of the second clip used to be.

If you wanted the whole of the envelope to be moved, then the last node outside of the clip needs to be selected too.  An easy way to do this would be to extend the end of the clip so it covers the last envelope node.   Alternatively, you could CTRL + click any nodes after the end of the clip to include them.

There's no screenshot 3 tho...
 

[aleo]

Mark,

Yes, Screenshot 2 is "correct" and at this point Sonar is functioning normally.  But, if you delete either the 2nd or the 3rd node in from the last node on the right to rebuild the single fade-out line that extended out of the original clip, you get Screenshot 3 (see attached) where Sonar has become very confused about re-drawing the envelope. 

The two methods you mention in your 2nd paragraph work fine, but often, when working quickly, I just grab a clip and drag it then clean up any extra nodes or lines that Sonar created.  With CbB and earlier versions of Sonar I don't recall ever having a problem with this procedure.

[msmcleod]

19 hours ago, aleo said:

Mark,

Yes, Screenshot 2 is "correct" and at this point Sonar is functioning normally.  But, if you delete either the 2nd or the 3rd node in from the last node on the right to rebuild the single fade-out line that extended out of the original clip, you get Screenshot 3 (see attached) where Sonar has become very confused about re-drawing the envelope. 

The two methods you mention in your 2nd paragraph work fine, but often, when working quickly, I just grab a clip and drag it then clean up any extra nodes or lines that Sonar created.  With CbB and earlier versions of Sonar I don't recall ever having a problem with this procedure.

Thanks - got a repro, and a fix for the next update.

[aleo]

Mark,

Many thanks!  That's one problem solved, three to go.👍

[Wayne Severson]

I've been having a problem with a crackling sound. 

I rebuilt the project from scratch and have now discovered it's the CA-2A inside the ProChannel.

The project isn't huge, Superior drummer 3, a Kontakt 7 Bass with an Amplitube bass amp. Piano, guitar and two vocal tracks.  Two reverbs and 1 delay

The VST version seems to be good but I've only tried it a very short time.

 

[Wookiee]

@Wayne Severson what audio interface and buffer sizes. I believe the CA-2A uses look ahead buffers.

[msmcleod]

1 minute ago, Wookiee said:

@Wayne Severson what audio interface and buffer sizes. I believe the CA-2A uses look ahead buffers.

The CA2A doesn't use look-ahead buffers - it's the LP series that does.

[Wookiee]

4 hours ago, msmcleod said:

The CA2A doesn't use look-ahead buffers - it's the LP series that does.

I did say I believe, just shows not everything one can believe in is true. 😀 

[Wayne Severson]

I'm using an RME Fireface UFX.   I might add I've used the CA-2A in the ProChannel for years without issue.

Though I am using the most current Sonar, I should add that the issue is also in the Cakewalk version.

I certainly can live without it, but I am curious if I'm alone in seeing this issue.

[EB MUSIC]

On 15/02/2025 at 22:26, IgoRr said:

Olá pessoal!

Hoje me lembrei do Drum Replacer e quis tentar usá-lo, mas não o vi na lista de plugins. Fui ao " CWK Plugin Manager " e o encontrei na categoria VST3, na lista " Excluídos ". Usei o comando " Habilitar Plug-In ", e ele apareceu na lista. Mas só no "CWK Plugin Manager", no "Navegador" geral de plugins, ele ainda não está lá, mesmo pesquisando por nome. Criei um "Layout Personalizado" no CWK Plugin Manager , adicionei o Drum Replacer a ele, salvei o layout e ele apareceu lá. Tentei carregá-lo no Sonar, mas o Sonar travou imediatamente. Tentei repetir isso várias vezes, mas o resultado é sempre o mesmo: o Sonar trava. Além disso, reinstalei o Drum Replacer várias vezes, mas nada mudou.

Vou anexar um arquivo de despejo e capturas de tela do Windows que foram criadas durante a última falha. Tenho a atualização mais recente do Sonar de fevereiro instalada - 2025.02 build 049. Por favor, me ajude a descobrir esse problema.

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On 15/02/2025 at 22:26, IgoRr said:

Olá pessoal!

Hoje me lembrei do Drum Replacer e quis tentar usá-lo, mas não o vi na lista de plugins. Fui ao " CWK Plugin Manager " e o encontrei na categoria VST3, na lista " Excluídos ". Usei o comando " Habilitar Plug-In ", e ele apareceu na lista. Mas só no "CWK Plugin Manager", no "Navegador" geral de plugins, ele ainda não está lá, mesmo pesquisando por nome. Criei um "Layout Personalizado" no CWK Plugin Manager , adicionei o Drum Replacer a ele, salvei o layout e ele apareceu lá. Tentei carregá-lo no Sonar, mas o Sonar travou imediatamente. Tentei repetir isso várias vezes, mas o resultado é sempre o mesmo: o Sonar trava. Além disso, reinstalei o Drum Replacer várias vezes, mas nada mudou.

Vou anexar um arquivo de despejo e capturas de tela do Windows que foram criadas durante a última falha. Tenho a atualização mais recente do Sonar de fevereiro instalada - 2025.02 build 049. Por favor, me ajude a descobrir esse problema.

Sonar Shablon '25_02162025_025830 dump.rar 572,71 kB · 0 downloads

 

[EB MUSIC]

I'm having the same problems with Sonar with crashes generating codes and closing in the middle of the project, it's annoying