Midi Bounce to clip(s) truncates clips to last & first Note OR avoiding multiple midi clips

[Roy Slough]

I do a lot of editing of midi in the PRV, drums & bass mostly. As I add and remove notes to an existing clip it often results in multiple clips of varying lengths
e.g. add in few bass notes will create a new clip but with blank (no notes) to the end of the existing clip.

When I select all these together and bounce to clip(s)  it merges all the notes & truncates all the clips to the first and last note. It is this truncation which can cause me problems. If I do not notice that the clip is short by maybe a 16th or 32nd, when I copy & paste or duplicate the clip everything can be slightly out of time.

Now, each time I "bounce to clip(s)" I zoom in check if the clip is now short, extend the end if necessary, and zoom out again.  Lots of zooming in & out extend etc.
Is there a method to retain the overall length when bouncing OR better still, how do I avoid creating these multiple clips when adding/editing midi notes? 

 

Thanks

[reginaldStjohn]

I think this is just the way the program works. I know in Studio One if you have snap enabled when you bounce a clip it snaps the clip size to the next largest boundary matching the snap setting.

Maybe make a feature request for something similar.

[57Gregy]

Whenever I want to copy/paste a MIDI clip, I right-click on the first note of the clip and change its start time to be exactly on the beat.
Or, check the clip's properties for what the start time is, note it, and Paste Special to that particular start time.
If I want to convert it to a Groove Clip, I ensure the first note starts exactly on the beat and the last note extends all the way to the end of the beat/measure.

Edited February 6 by 57Gregy
Where'd that comma come from?

[Chaps]

17 minutes ago, 57Gregy said:

Whenever, I want to copy/paste a MIDI clip, I right-click on the first note of the clip and change its start time to be exactly on the beat..

I do that to MIDI drum clips in the PRV. I put a note on the downbeat and change its velocity to 0, or close to it. Then when I click and drag, or paste, clips they always line up where I want them.

[Amberwolf]

If you really need clips to always bounce to the full measure, etc., you can stick a controller event of a type / number that you know none of your synths/etc respond to (or that you know you want set that way anyway) at the tick(s) where you require the clip to start/end, so that no matter where the notes are relative to the measure boundaries, the clips will line up there.

Just make sure you select the CC events with the notes when you bounce.  

[Roy Slough]

Thanks Guys,  Adding start & end notes with zero velocity (or another non effective midi note/control) seems a good way to go, It just requires planning ahead.
It is also possible to just re-check and correct the beginning and end of a clip If I do a Bounce. (just must remember to do so)

I wonder why copying and pasting notes creates separate clips, is it for the non-destructive editing?
I do this often,  If I create a good bass riff I copy and paste it where needed, but then I have to bounce all the clips created.

Either way I have more techniques now to deal with it so thanks again

[David Baay]

1 hour ago, Roy Slough said:

wonder why copying and pasting notes creates separate clips

If the new note is more than ~5 beats past the end of the previous event, a new clip will be created. This can be avoided by dragging the boundary of the clip later before drawing/pasting new notes.