pwalpwal Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 tbf you can change "magix" to any software company and get a very similar output 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurre Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 After i uninstalled and manually cleaned the register from "Magix musicmaker" and everything "Magix" and "Musicmaker" my pc and daw became clearly more responsive. I've never seen the register so highly infested with files from a software. It took two days and aprox 4 hours to clean up the register. Had to sleep midways. It was exhausting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/3/2025 at 1:26 AM, Xoo said: There's a minor gotcha where audio tracks created in MS2016 have some VEGAS plug-ins assigned in the background hidden which VEP21 can't find (possibly after I uninstalled MS2016) Vegas Pro always (and has from the first time I used it back in the Sony days) slaps a noise gate, EQ, and compressor on its audio track FX. This is a thing to be aware of when creating music videos. While the noise gate's and EQ's settings leave them out of the picture (so to speak), the compressor's does not. So the first thing I do when I import anything with audio is get rid of those. The MAGIX engineers seem to have made updates to the DXi plug-ins in the past few years, which may be why they complained on project load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 11 hours ago, Mr No Name said: the opinion of AI Fortunate that my studio is operated by a HI (human intelligence) rather than an AI. There are multiple points where I must agree with the AI search results, but as pwal said, all software companies have their issues. MAGIX does seem to party like it's 1999, but stability has improved since I first started using Vegas Pro, and I get along with Sound Forge all right, haven't had any issues with exporting. It's fine for cleaning up the audio from video sources that were recorded at low levels, with background noise, etc. They at least finally introduced dark themes in Vegas and Sound Forge, so they're easier on the eyes. Oddly enough, the MAGIX program that sees the most use around my place is Audio Cleaning Lab, which came in a Humble Bundle. It's their consumer-y take on RX. I don't use those features, but it works a treat for sampling dialogue from movies and television shows. Unlike many programs, it's easy to route audio from Windows sound output without weirdness such as feedback loops. Their stuff happens to be what I have and it happens to work. I originally got my Vegas license for free from a friend, upgrades are cheap from Humble Bundle, licenses are perpetual. No way would I shell out full price for any of it. But at Humble Bundle prices, I think it's very much worth it. For someone starting out now who wants to work with video, I'd suggest they take a look at DaVinci or HitFilm. But Vegas, true to its original heritage as a DAW, kind of acts like a DAW for video, which makes it great for casual users like me who spend most of our time with DAW's. Video clips move around like audio clips, the timeline looks like a DAW timeline, video FX are applied like audio FX, you create fades by dragging at the edges of clips, etc. I can go away for a year and come back to it and get back up to speed in minutes without referring to a manual. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr No Name Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 6 hours ago, Starship Krupa said: Vegas Pro always (and has from the first time I used it back in the Sony days) slaps a noise gate, EQ, and compressor on its audio track FX. This is a thing to be aware of when creating music videos. While the noise gate's and EQ's settings leave them out of the picture (so to speak), the compressor's does not. So the first thing I do when I import anything with audio is get rid of those. The MAGIX engineers seem to have made updates to the DXi plug-ins in the past few years, which may be why they complained on project load. Magix have engineers ? I think the only thing they must use them for is breaking peoples software with updates when they have new versions released. first prize goes to them for the enshittification of software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 20 hours ago, Kurre said: After i uninstalled and manually cleaned the register from "Magix musicmaker" and everything "Magix" and "Musicmaker" my pc and daw became clearly more responsive. I've never seen the register so highly infested with files from a software. It took two days and aprox 4 hours to clean up the register. Had to sleep midways. It was exhausting. You obviously never used NI products. On 3 systems and this has been going on for years when their updates fail which they often do for me. To get something to the latest version, they have their own registry tool which is a rebranded Windows Installer clean up, wanna talk about overkill in registry entries non is like NI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 hours ago, Mr No Name said: Magix have engineers ? I think the only thing they must use them for is breaking peoples software with updates when they have new versions released. first prize goes to them for the enshittification of software. Always happens when code is acquired but not the coders. It happens all of the time in the gaming industry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr No Name Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 19 hours ago, Starship Krupa said: Fortunate that my studio is operated by a HI (human intelligence) rather than an AI. There are multiple points where I must agree with the AI search results, but as pwal said, all software companies have their issues. MAGIX does seem to party like it's 1999, but stability has improved since I first started using Vegas Pro, and I get along with Sound Forge all right, haven't had any issues with exporting. It's fine for cleaning up the audio from video sources that were recorded at low levels, with background noise, etc. They at least finally introduced dark themes in Vegas and Sound Forge, so they're easier on the eyes. Oddly enough, the MAGIX program that sees the most use around my place is Audio Cleaning Lab, which came in a Humble Bundle. It's their consumer-y take on RX. I don't use those features, but it works a treat for sampling dialogue from movies and television shows. Unlike many programs, it's easy to route audio from Windows sound output without weirdness such as feedback loops. Their stuff happens to be what I have and it happens to work. I originally got my Vegas license for free from a friend, upgrades are cheap from Humble Bundle, licenses are perpetual. No way would I shell out full price for any of it. But at Humble Bundle prices, I think it's very much worth it. For someone starting out now who wants to work with video, I'd suggest they take a look at DaVinci or HitFilm. But Vegas, true to its original heritage as a DAW, kind of acts like a DAW for video, which makes it great for casual users like me who spend most of our time with DAW's. Video clips move around like audio clips, the timeline looks like a DAW timeline, video FX are applied like audio FX, you create fades by dragging at the edges of clips, etc. I can go away for a year and come back to it and get back up to speed in minutes without referring to a manual. I have never used their video software tbh, but their DAWS are a headache, a migraine even. parts of them work and parts of them don't. You only have to use any other DAW software, Cakewalk for example just to see the night and day difference in quality of them. Acid Pro 10 which I purchased a few years ago (was a user since Sony days) had some major bugs which never got fixed, made it nearly unusable, they then released 11 which had the problem fixed and expected everyone to pay for a new daw. left everyone on 10 high and dry, seriously arrogant to say the least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 On 1/6/2025 at 11:53 AM, Mr No Name said: I have never used their video software tbh, but their DAWS are a headache, a migraine even. parts of them work and parts of them don't. I gave Music Maker a very brief look years ago when I got it in one of these Bumble Hundles. It was much too basic for me to even try doing anything with. So I have no experience with what you're describing. Supposedly, when they acquired Sony's product line, they kind of did a BandLab and maintained the US development staff. That may have changed. I can say that the first MAGIX release of Vegas Pro was vastly improved as far as crashiness. Since then, they have made more progress. Nothing close to what the Cakewalk engineers achieved in even the first 9 months of BandLab's ownership, but progress. Added advanced features that I'll probably never use but that seem to be important in the video industry these days. It backslid a little for a couple of releases as far as the crashiness, but during that time I learned a bunch of tuning tricks in the advanced settings (which could only be accessed via hidden menus) that made it faster and more stable. When that sort of thing happens, my guess is that the developers' systems are already tuned up, so they forget the fact that they could be doing better for brand new installations. Cakewalk has some settings that, IMO, could be deprecated or have their defaults updated to reflect things like the fact that it's probably been 10 years since anyone even thought of running it on anything less than a 2-core system with 8G RAM and at least 7200 RPM spinner. With Vegas, they've lagged behind taking full advantage of things like nVidia's CUDA cores. Supposedly they've teased a new video engine that will change that, but for me it's a couple of Hundle Bumbles in the future. My nVidia card ain't the latest by a long shot, but it's not a tater either, and when I'm rendering in Vegas, it barely uses the GPU (watching it with a monitoring program). It perks up a little when I have a preview window open, but then so does Sonar, so that kind of thing is probably managed by the OS. Once they do leverage the GPU better, Vegas will be much snappier, at least it will render more quickly. It also may introduce some bugs. Whatever, it seems like we're talking about different product lines. For me, these Humble Bundles are just Vegas Pro and Sound Forge updates. I may check out the rest for curiosity's sake, but I'd still buy the bundles if the other licenses weren't included. Vegas is still the least stable thing I run on my computer, but there aren't entire features that don't work for me, and it's about at the level most DAW's were 15 years ago, with "save early and often" being a prime directive. Run your AI search on Vegas Pro and see what you get. The Google AI seems to agree with my views on it as far as the DAW-like UI and audio features making it more beginner-friendly than most other video NLE's. That's very important to me, I don't have to switch my mind to another workflow paradigm (which is why I've yet to do anything in Ableton Live). The video and audio are in tracks and clips, with headers and automation and whatnot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I don't think any of the former Sony people are there anymore. One was Peter. He was the guy in the Sony Seminar Series. Too bad with all of these tutorial sites no one has bothered to duplicate anything like the Sony Seminar Series. Anyone remember what Acid and Soundforge were owned before Sony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, kitekrazy1 said: Anyone remember what Acid and Soundforge were owned before Sony? I think they started as Sonic Foundry (at least Soundforge) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubdisciple Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 26 minutes ago, Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann said: I think they started as Sonic Foundry (at least Soundforge) All three were Sonic Foundry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubdisciple Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 The three also includes Vegas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubdisciple Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 There was a time I would have jumped on this. Sound forge was the first audio software I learned to use well. Ironically ( and mods please let me know if this is a violation since i am just sharing experience with company and not encouraging) . How I obtained software is a funny story. I had a won a contest for creating sample loops . Sonic Foundry was one of the sponsors. They interviewed me and during the interview it was revealed that I was not a legal owner of the Sound Forge software I used. They were pretty chill about it and said a lot of their best customers started that way. They offered me a lite version with a generous offer to update to pro. I bought pro and upgraded every year until the Magix acquisition. One of my prizes was the first version of Acid Pro. I used Vegas professionally for awhile because it had hands down the best audio editing features of sny video editor. In addition it was easy to use and never crashed. I have a version of sound forge that I got from Humble Bundle a few years ago, but I rarely use. My nostalgia tempts me but I own Davinci Resolve Studio and stand alone sound editors are just not as necessary. This is still a great deal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starship Krupa Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 35 minutes ago, dubdisciple said: They were pretty chill about it and said a lot of their best customers started that way. They offered me a lite version with a generous offer to update to pro. I bought pro and upgraded every year until the Magix acquisition. Cool story. Smart move on their part, then. The audio features are definitely a big reason I've stuck with bargain bin Vegas licenses. I recall not long ago seeing a post from someone on a forum somewhere who uses Vegas as a DAW. The software industry has changed to the point that it's now possible to put together a studio based entirely on free loss leader software. Start with Cakewalk by BandLab, get the Kilohearts and MeldaProduction free bundles, Kontakt Start, Vital, Soundpaint, Swatches and so forth and go from there. I think that many software companies realized that most people who use cracked software aren't people who would have bought licenses if they hadn't had access to cracked copies. It's not an alternative, it's the only way they'd be able or willing to use it in the first place. As for whether it cannibalizes sales, to the extent that it does, they're not buying your competitors' product either. The loss leader concept absolutely does work, even for hardcore penny pinchers like me. MeldaProduction have many hundreds of dollars from me as proof of that. A|A|S as well, Swatches should be better known than it is. Swatches and soundpack giveaways hooked me and I now own both Chromaphone and Analog VA, as well as plenty of paid soundpacks . True for IK Multimedia, Soundpaint and Sonuscore to a lesser degree. Maybe as a greater benefit, I've advocated long and loud on multiple forums for these companies' products. For sure I know a couple of people from VI Control bought MComplete (and other) bundles using my referral code. That's a few grand right there. Even good ol' Vegas. They've only ever gotten my Humble Bundle pittances, but they've gotten multiple of them at this point, and who knows how many other HB users turn pro enough to want the latest features and the full suite. Their upgrade prices are reasonable. Of course my main DAW is one that I originally got for free before choosing to pay for it with the fruits of my labor.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 20 hours ago, Starship Krupa said: as far as the DAW-like UI and audio features making it more beginner-friendly than most other video NLE's. This is why I use it too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xoo Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Starship Krupa said: The loss leader concept absolutely does work, even for hardcore penny pinchers like me I'd also say that companies that do regular free feature updates get my money too: Valhalla, Overloud, Nomad Factory are three who give away significant updates to their products (and curated presets in the case of Overloud, some of which are half-useful :-)), so I go back to them to buy other things of theirs because I know (think) they'll continue to do so, so I like to support them and I feel I'm getting a good investment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubdisciple Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Vega offers amazing value. I love that it has a version of mocha and that it has always had features that were similar to After Effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) Anyone manage to get Vegas 21 to scan or preferably skip scanning UJAM plugins? I have noticed that other DAWs often hang on scanning UJAM stuff, especially VB-ROYAL, so it's more likely a UJAM issue. Then again, other DAWs either skip/timeout the plugin or allow a way to avoid scanning on startup - not so with Vegas it seems. I have re-installed VB-ROYAL numerous times btw and also checked for duplicate/old versions of it. Thanks P.S. I have tried adding /NOVSTGROVEL to the Vegas 21 target after the quotes in the shortcut and also starting it while holding CTRL & SHIFT. It still scans VSTs on startup and gets stuck at VB-ROYAL. Reminds me why I went over to DaVinci Resolve many years ago! Edited January 10 by ZincT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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