Linking tracks so edits on one are applied to the other?

[sean72]

Is there a way to link tracks or otherwise, which will apply any edits made on one track to the other one?

 

Use case would be for applying edits to guitar takes recorded from an external amp and having those edits also apply to a raw DI of the same take for reamping later. 

 

Thanks!

Edited December 15 by sean72

[Amberwolf]

Though it is possible that a new feature that does this was added after my version, but the only linking I'm aware of is that when you create copies of existing clips, you can choose to create them as linked so that edits to one affect the other.  

 

If the edits are all just track envelopes, you can copy those (with or without the other events in the track) and paste them to the new track.  (not aware of a way to copy a clip envelope, but as noted my version is old). 

 

[sean72]

Thanks, I'll keep looking for a solution. In this case I wouldn't be able to copy a clip I would need to record them at the same time. Also would be doing slicing and splicing them not just envelopes. 

 

If thete is no such capability in Sonar hopefully it's something that could be added. 

[Amberwolf]

I have had a number of recent projects where this would be a handy function (especially where I am messing with a bunch of separate parts of a "kit" of sounds, and want to alter each of the separate parallel clips in the same way (but still have them on separate tracks and/or buses for different fx chains, etc).   

Some edits can be done the same to multiple parallel clips at once, simply by selecting them all before performing the action:

--split

--click-drag length from beginning or end

--copy or move

(probably others I can't recall ATM)

 

Splicing clips (bouncing multiples down into one) couldn't be done this way because it would bounce them all to one clip instead of leaving them as separate tracks. 

[David Baay]

Clip Groups. These can be created after the fact or while recording (see record options):

https://legacy.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=Cakewalk&language=3&help=Arranging.34.html

 

[Amberwolf]

I'd forgotten about that feature; I never got it to work in my ancient SONAR...but i just rechecked it out in my ancient version and found that I had simply missed setting the correct editing options within Global options - Editing (it was set so that edits did not autoselect other clips, and so that splits created new groups instead of leaving them in the old ones). 

But, even with them set correctly  some edits don't affect all the clips (just those that are at the same "time" as the one being manipulated).  (split, drag-edge for fades or length changes, etc)

Some edits don't affect any clip except the one you actually clicked on, such as adding clip envelopes, etc. 

Maybe the newer versions are different?

 

Some edits don't affect the clips as just themselves, but act (perhaps as expected, though not as desired in this case) as if you'd just selected all those clips, like bouncing to clip--any clips on the same track that are part of a group are turned into a single clip, though those on a different track are not combined with them, which is good--but it would be nice if they were bounced each to their own clip.  (perhaps is different in newer versions but I doubt it; it's probably not desirable for many users as it's different than the usual behavior).   (also, the bounced clips are no longer grouped at all, which is also probably expected behavior but not desirable in that now you would have to re-group them after you figure out which ones they are). 

 

Still useful and will do a lot of what I want, so thanks for bringing it up!

[sean72]

Thanks David! I will try this later tonight or tomorrow. Sounds like just what I need. 

[57Gregy]

Never tried it but maybe record your effected and dry takes on L/R side of a stereo track instead of separate tracks. Create your envelopes and edit as needed, then you can later Bounce down to Split Mono tracks if you want, see if the edits go with the bounce. They should.

[David Baay]

20 hours ago, Amberwolf said:

some edits don't affect all the clips (just those that are at the same "time" as the one being manipulated).  (split, drag-edge for fades or length changes, etc)

That all works for me, but because it's a "Selection Group", you have to select the group to have the edits apply to the group. This is actually handy because it allows you to still make individual edits to unselected clips in the group or to deselect a subset of the group without having to jump through hoops.

[Amberwolf]

I'd guess they've changed the way it works in the last >decade-and-a-half-plus since my version was made.

In mine I don't have to select the group as long as I have the option enabled to select all the group members if I select any of them...but even if I try it the other way by manually selecting them all, and nothing that's not in the group, it will still only do the same edits the same way--slip edits, splits, clip-fades, etc only work on time-aligned/overlapped clips, in my version. 

 

But it's still useful and a timesaver, and I'm still glad of the reminder of the feature that made me go re-explore it!