Export busses through Entire Mix?

[boinkeee2000]

Im trying to see if theres a way i can export my busses as separate tracks through entire mix, so i dont have to do a pass for each bus manually per creating stems...is there a way? (master has all the bus processing so i need all the buses to run through it) tnx

[Max Arwood]

He would have to copy your master bus effects to each individual bus. Then, all you have to do is export buses.

[boinkeee2000]

57 minutes ago, Max Arwood said:

He would have to copy your master bus effects to each individual bus. Then, all you have to do is export buses.

to be specific, its my mastering chain on the master bus...so i dont think it'll work if i copy it to each bus as it will mess with the mix when its summed back together

[Amberwolf]

You'll have to pick one way or the other.  
 

If you need the master bus fx to be on all of the separate ones, you'll have to actually put it on all of them, and whatever happens when summed is going to happen.  

The same thing will happen if you export one track (or bus) at a time thru the master bus (by muting or archiving all the others temporarily).  

 

If you don't want that to happen, then you have to leave it off all of them, and then let whoever sums them back together put that chain on their master bus.

 

If you need some of the fx on some of the buses (or tracks), then you'll have to put them only on those, and not on the master. 

 

Then you can choose to export as separate files per bus or per track to do it all as one export pass.  

[boinkeee2000]

5 hours ago, Amberwolf said:

You'll have to pick one way or the other.  
 

If you need the master bus fx to be on all of the separate ones, you'll have to actually put it on all of them, and whatever happens when summed is going to happen.  

The same thing will happen if you export one track (or bus) at a time thru the master bus (by muting or archiving all the others temporarily).  

 

If you don't want that to happen, then you have to leave it off all of them, and then let whoever sums them back together put that chain on their master bus.

 

If you need some of the fx on some of the buses (or tracks), then you'll have to put them only on those, and not on the master. 

 

Then you can choose to export as separate files per bus or per track to do it all as one export pass.  

my overall concern would be the lack of interaction within tracks as if it were summed and mastered accordingly...

maybe its best to copy what the client wants to happen here.

" we like to have the mastered stems also, so our clients have the flexibility to import the stems, make edits (i.e remove sections or instruments), and still sound like a cohesive mastered stereo track without any post processing on their part"

 

[Max Arwood]

Yes it would probably be best. If you just export the buses like most people do.  Will you be remixing the stems down yourself or have someone else to do them? 
 

Is there some reason you’re mixing them down to stems? Most people just export the sound directly from the master bus.  If any further processing is done, it would be done by mastering the song from that file. 
 

I could personally only see one reason to mix to stems.  That would be if you do not have enough horsepower to just export through the master bus and the processing that you want to do there.

 

I guess I could also see it if you had a very complex orchestra piece and you wanted to bounce clarinet  flutes. Oboe, bassoons, how to clarinet, bass, clarinet, contra, bass, clarinet,, blah blah blah down to woodwinds. Don’t forget the Sopranos sax, the alto sax, the tenor sax, the baritone sax, Then go Bounce, trumpets, trombones, F horns, baritone horn, euphoniums, tuba down the brass, etc. etc. etc..  strings, percussion and more still left lol. Then you gotta go back and remix the whole thing from stems  even that would be a lot of extra work I would rather bounce and freeze stuff  for these tracks. And Delete extra plug-ins. Before I would want to remix from stems, I think.  
 

How are you doing? Orchestra or cinema work?

[David Baay]

Regardless of what approach is used to get bounces of each bus through the Master, separately,  be aware that any compression, limiting or other dynamic FX on the Master are not going give the desired result because they depend on the input level of the summed signal and will behave differently (even to the point of doing nothing at all) when processing individual buses. The sum of compressed signals will never be the same as compressing the sum. Non-linear phase shifts in FX could also alter peak levels and cause other problems with the re-summed stems.

Edited November 25 by David Baay

[Amberwolf]

11 hours ago, boinkeee2000 said:

" we like to have the mastered stems also, so our clients have the flexibility to import the stems, make edits (i.e remove sections or instruments), and still sound like a cohesive mastered stereo track without any post processing on their part"

I'm not an expert, but I can't imagine any way to make that happen.   If they want it to sound like a cohesive mastered stereo track they're going to have to actually cohesively master it as a stereo track.   

Not really any way around doing work to get work done. 

If you process all the stuff as individual tracks it won't sound like (probably not anything like) the full masterbus output would, for reasons others stated. 

You should just tell the client the reality of how it works, and let them decide what work they are willing to do, and give them what will let them do that.  If they don't accept that, well, can't help everyone.

Edited November 25 by Amberwolf