Copying Tempo Changes & deleting time/measures (bars)

[Steve Ennever]

Would I be correct in assuming that Cakewalk does not copy & paste tempo changes now? 

Also it does not appear to delete time/measures. You can insert them to your hearts delight. But not delete them? 

I seem to remember it used to. 

Am I missing something? 

 

Steve E 

 

[Promidi]

Generally, if I want to include tempo changes, markers, time/measures, etc in copy/cut and paste operations, first I drag across the ruler to do the select. 

Then I do a cut, copy and pastes special and then include the various elements.  If you only want those elements and not MIDI event, then I deselect “Events in Tracks”.

I tried marquee selecting some tempo changes (so they were the only items selected), and still the “copy Tempo” item in the Copy special dialogue was greyed out.  Looks like dragging across the ruler to do the selection is the way to go.

[Bass Guitar]

Ripple Edit. If on, any edits you make will be global to all tracks. Example- Delete one measure and the tempo map, automation lanes etc,  will adjust accordingly.  

[David Baay]

7 hours ago, Promidi said:

I tried marquee selecting some tempo changes (so they were the only items selected), and still the “copy Tempo” item in the Copy special dialogue was greyed out.  Looks like dragging across the ruler to do the selection is the way to go.

When you select tempos in the tempo track or the tempo list in the Inspector, the tempo track is focused automatically, and tempo changes can be copy-pasted regardless of Copy/Paste Special settings.

[Steve Ennever]

20 hours ago, Bass Guitar said:

Ripple Edit. If on, any edits you make will be global to all tracks. Example- Delete one measure and the tempo map, automation lanes etc,  will adjust accordingly.  

Hi, I'm referring to deleting a time/measure for the whole project, not an individual track. 

You can insert them - but apparently not delete them. 

Steve.  

[Steve Ennever]

18 hours ago, David Baay said:

When you select tempos in the tempo track or the tempo list in the Inspector, the tempo track is focused automatically, and tempo changes can be copy-pasted regardless of Copy/Paste Special settings.

Hi, it was copy/pasting 'tempo changes' ie: slowing down, speeding up, that I was referring to. Not different tempos. 

 

Steve E 

[David Baay]

3 hours ago, Steve Ennever said:

Hi, it was copy/pasting 'tempo changes' ie: slowing down, speeding up, that I was referring to. Not different tempos. 

 

Yes, I understand. I used the shorthand "tempos" to mean either changes or nodes in the tempo track. Copy-paste should work as described in eith the tempo list or the tempo track without special procedures. Only if you're copying other content in some other view do you need to use Copy-Paste Special to ensure you include tempo changes.

3 hours ago, Steve Ennever said:

Hi, I'm referring to deleting a time/measure for the whole project, not an individual track. 

Bass Guitar is correct in referring you to the Ripple Edit All mode (upper right corner of the clips pane) for this purpose. Ripple Edit All will remove all content across all tracks including the tempo and arranger tracks, and pull the later/downstream content back to the start of the deleted range to fill the hole. The Ripple Edit Selection option will operate only on selected tracks.

Edited November 4 by David Baay

[Steve Ennever]

20 hours ago, David Baay said:

Yes, I understand. I used the shorthand "tempos" to mean either changes or nodes in the tempo track. Copy-paste should work as described in eith the tempo list or the tempo track without special procedures. Only if you're copying other content in some other view do you need to use Copy-Paste Special to ensure you include tempo changes.

Bass Guitar is correct in referring you to the Ripple Edit All mode (upper right corner of the clips pane) for this purpose. Ripple Edit All will remove all content across all tracks including the tempo and arranger tracks, and pull the later/downstream content back to the start of the deleted range to fill the hole. The Ripple Edit Selection option will operate only on selected tracks.

Hi, I tried this but the location for the tempo (slow down) was not registered in the list. Therefore there was nothing to copy. 

The simple tempo changes I had inserted were there in the list. 

But not the more complicated tempo 'slow down.' 

 

Any thoughts? 

 

Steve E  

 

 

 

[David Baay]

Only nodes/inflection points appear in the list. What happens along the segment in between - the shape of the transition - will automatically move/change with the nodes that define its start and end. If you delete a node, the shape of the segment between the previous one and the next remaining one will take on the shape that previously existed after the deleted node. It should all work pretty transparently, but you might need to change segment types or add/restore nodes after deleting something, depending on the particular circumstances and the range you select.

FWIW, I'll repeat something I've posted about many times: It's not musically meaningful to have the tempo changing in between the notes that define a time interval, and I generally recommend using jumps everywhere rather than lines and curves. Those lines and curves are being interpreted and rendered as a series of small jumps, anyway. I believe the default tempo change interval for rendering a "continuous" change in Cakewalk is a 16th note.

If this doesn't explain the result you're getting, you should post a quick demo project file with the tempo track in question, and let us know what you're doing and what result you're expecting to get.