CbB 2024.12 Feedback

[David Baay]

10 minutes ago, pistolpete said:

There also is now an abundance of knobs, that I have no use for, everywhere. Some of my projects ended up with 32 empty tracks that I didn't have there before the update. I had to waste time hiding them because they could not be deleted.

Definitely not a common experience. You should submit an affected project to the Bakers.

[pistolpete]

2 hours ago, David Baay said:

I'm curious what this means, exactly. For me, the initial migration of a project from CbB to Sonar's scalable UI requires adjusting the position of some pane splitters and changing timeline zoom level to make the layout of a given project look exactly the same, but it's far from 'a jumbled mess', and doesn't change with 'every update'.

The console controls and other panes are misplaced after each update and it looks like a jumbled mess. After an update everything should look the same except if there are major UI changes. I'm not angry about that, it's minor but just a pain and waste of time to set everything back. 

I'm just providing my feedback.

[IgoRr]

1 hour ago, pistolpete said:

The console controls and other panes are misplaced after each update and it looks like a jumbled mess.

Can you give specific examples of "misplaced console controls" after the latest update? And what "other panels" are misplaced and lead to "jumbled mess"? Personally, it is almost impossible for me to understand what exactly you are talking about with such bitterness, because I see a minimal number of console control shifts over the past 2-3 years. Changing  the design, color schemes, sometimes the color (tone), width or thickness of frames or background of fields for inserts or sends, but what and where is "misplaced", can you specifically name such elements? In the most recent update, for the first time there was an option to change the height of some segments in the console - volume faders, inserts, sends, before this latest version, this did not exist at all. As far as I remember, since the versions of the old SONAR X... series , not a single (!) control element has been moved to another place in the console, every single one of them is in their previous places, so what kind of "mess" and "misplace" are you so persistently talking about?

[pistolpete]

I've fixed the UI layouts so I don't have a screenshot to share. If  I'm still able to use the software if the next update happens, I will share it.  It's just a minor annoyance that I've accepted to deal with after updates.

It appears that "ProChannel" somehow gets enabled/expanded down in the console area for all of the tracks and dumps the colorful knobs everywhere. I have to close ProChannel on every track and hide/delete the extra empty tracks and sub-channels that show up too. It also overwrites the arranger section on the left panel.

The "video view" disappeared. I clicked on it in the options and tried a wacky alt-shift sequence to enable it and it didn't do anything. I stopped and restarted a few times and randomly clicked on things and it went back to normal.  Maybe the tray at the bottom is having an issue after the last 2 updates.

[IgoRr]

5 minutes ago, pistolpete said:

Maybe the tray at the bottom is having an issue after the last 2 updates.

Everything you say about Cakewalk bugs is 99% a consequence of some problems in your specific computer, because neither I have this, nor have I heard of such serious problems and in such quantities from anyone in discussions, you can reread the entire correspondence in this topic yourself. Either you installed Cakewalk by Bandlab incorrectly, or your system (Windows) itself is not working correctly, and this affects Cakewalk functionality. I repeat once again: no  one  (!!!) like problem of the kind you are talking about here has been observed in this program over the past 3-4 years! There are no "misplaced console controls", nothing is closing or doubling arbitrarily in ProChannel, any track if you have all these problems all the time, you need to completely remove all products of Bandlab, thoroughly clean out folders, files and the registry, and then install Cakewalk from zero, I'm sure everything will work normally for you.

[pistolpete]

Please chill IgoRr. I was only providing my constructive feedback and user experience.

[IgoRr]

6 minutes ago, pistolpete said:

I was only providing my constructive feedback and user experience.

What makes you think I'm worried? I don't care what's going on with you, it doesn't concern me. And as for constructiveness - where are at least some details of your settings, at least one (!!!) screenshot of the problems you describe, where is at least one dump file with the contents of such numerous failures? So far you have never confirmed your stories with a single fact, and this is just empty chatter, it has nothing to do with constructiveness.

[Glenn Stanton]

17 hours ago, pistolpete said:

I've fixed the UI layouts so I don't have a screenshot to share. If  I'm still able to use the software if the next update happens, I will share it.  It's just a minor annoyance that I've accepted to deal with after updates.

It appears that "ProChannel" somehow gets enabled/expanded down in the console area for all of the tracks and dumps the colorful knobs everywhere. I have to close ProChannel on every track and hide/delete the extra empty tracks and sub-channels that show up too. It also overwrites the arranger section on the left panel.

The "video view" disappeared. I clicked on it in the options and tried a wacky alt-shift sequence to enable it and it didn't do anything. I stopped and restarted a few times and randomly clicked on things and it went back to normal.  Maybe the tray at the bottom is having an issue after the last 2 updates.

my recommendation is spend some time with the user manual. one thing to note: there is a functionality known as "quick grouping" which let's you operate controls across multiple tracks, and you should read up on it. this will help you to quickly operate the pop out views of PC across the console. etc. 

i think IgoRr's issue with your posts is that it's an odd situation of which most people do not experience it, in this case, may be a simple case of RTM and learn the tool rather than speculate that there is some software issue which no one seems to experience (there are plenty of other ones people do experience but then they also know to report it to support and provide screenshots, dumps etc to help troubleshoot - the Bakers are very responsive and will try to solve it or perhaps prioritize it)

[pistolpete]

I have things set up fine and they work day to day as expected. I've been using Cakewalk products for decades and I am quite familiar and up to date with the usage. The shuffling of the UI happens only after an update and I have to rearrange things to get them back. If you can tell me in the manual where I can lock a parameter to prevent this from happening, I will gladly re-read it. I don't shuffle or group views, I keep things as absolutely simple as possible.

Again, I was just providing feedback and if I experience it again, I can supply more info.  I think maybe not applying updates might do the trick. 😉

[Xoo]

This sounds like you are using a workspace: you've edited one of the factory ones and use that, then the installer comes along and replaces the factory ones, resetting your changes.  Use a user workspace and they won't get overwritten.

[pistolpete]

Thanks Xoo. That makes perfect sense. I set that up and saved to a new user workspace.  👍 

I appreciate your help.

[StephanKim]

On 11/23/2024 at 9:55 AM, StephanKim said:

I’m attaching screenshots from tests I conducted on the new system. All tests were performed with the same project.

I tested with the latest versions of both CbB and Sonar, and the results are even more extreme compared to the screenshots I shared earlier. It seems like one of the CPU cores/threads is completely unused.

Interestingly, Sonar appears to utilize some of the second CPU’s cores more than CbB does.(Sorry No screenshots saved in this time)

However, there was no difference in NUMA settings, and there weren’t any significant differences in the MMCSS configuration either.

I also discovered that my workstation system has a feature allowing me to view and adjust how processes set processor affinity. Upon checking, both CbB and Sonar showed similar behavior, with only partial utilization of one of the two CPUs.

I even tried forcing the process to use all cores, but this didn’t result in any significant changes.

Given that this behavior has been noticed recently (due to the perceived performance drop), I can’t help but wonder if it’s related to the latest updates to Windows 10 (on my previous system) or Windows 11 (on my current system).

I’m not a software engineer, so I don’t fully understand what might be causing this, but I hope someone with technical expertise can look into the issue.

It’s a bit confusing—if the software only uses one CPU, what’s the point of investing in an expensive multi-core system?

This issue has been resolved with the latest Sonar update. A big thanks to Noel for addressing it so effectively!

[Milton Sica]

How do I configure it so that I don't receive this new message advertising joining SONAR?

[ptheisen]

It is intentionally not possible to turn that off.

[gustabo]

5 hours ago, Milton Sica said:

How do I configure it so that I don't receive this new message advertising joining SONAR?

By joining Sonar!

[ptheisen]

According to those who are members, you will still receive the Sonar advertising message when using CbB, so the only ways to stop receiving the message are to stop using it or stay offline when you do.

[Milton Sica]

Well, I think it's a very questionable strategy for this "update" of the CDB to "include" this constant message in the application, which is free.

It's a bad comparison, but I can imagine an automobile company calling for a recall of a 2024 model of a car, the customer taking the vehicle in for the recall and, every time he starts the car, he receives a blaring message on his speakers: BUY THE 2025 MODEL, BUY THE 2025 MODEL, SUBSCRIBE TO THE 2025 MODEL, BECOME A MEMBER OF SONAR, BECOME A MEMBER OF SONAR.......

[gustabo]

2 hours ago, Milton Sica said:

blah, blah, blah... which is free.

Lol! Ask for a refund on CbB!

[IgoRr]

3 hours ago, Milton Sica said:

he receives a blaring message on his speakers

When you launch Cakewalk by Bandlab, do you constantly hear some kind of sound blaring message from your speakers? Can someone force you to buy something you don't want to buy? Isn't it easier and faster to click the cross in the right corner and close this silent (!!!) message in 2 seconds, than to waste so much time and nerves on indignation and complaints? In your opinion, Microsoft behaves more decently, having started in 2015 a real massive blackmail of ALL (!!!) users, ALL (!!!) hardware manufacturers and software developers, forcing each and every one (!!!) to switch to Windows 10? Have you not complained about this behavior on their forums? Or does Microsoft give you some free versions of its products?
And Bandlab improved the former SONAR for 5 years, brought it to an excellent state, and did not take a penny from a single user for this. And now that the Cakewalk team is back in business, and has resurrected a much more powerful version of Sonar, and is predictably raising awareness of their new product with advertising, are you protesting this so much? I'm pretty sure this is a one-time promotional offer of 71% off (!!!) an annual subscription, and that this advertising campaign will soon end, and your ears will no longer hear the constant roar from your speakers.

[pistolpete]

I'm hearing  the blaring messages. 

No wait... that's the voices in my head telling me telling me to start evaluating alternate DAW systems, in case of forced subscription blackmail on my thousands of hours of work put into my projects.

15 hours ago, IgoRr said:

 Can someone force you to buy something you don't want to buy?

A subscription to CbB? ☹️