CbB 2024.07 Feedback

[Corg24]

I have had major latency issues since the update.  Had been working like a dream up until now.  Had been researching solutions when i found this forum.  
Running a Intel I7 2.93gh
16gb RAM
Win 10 Pro 22h2
asio 
interface is a Tascam US-1800
 

[Cobus Prinsloo]

Has anyone else had latency issues after the update?

[chris.r]

On 10/5/2024 at 1:46 PM, Cobus Prinsloo said:

Has anyone else had latency issues after the update?

I didn't check the latest version but I had to move back from 2023.09 to 2022.09 because I was getting annoying issues with latency when recording instrument takes (plugins, Kontakt, etc). Issues occurred at some point while working on the project, i.e. not in freshly new projects, not at the beginnings. Weird.

[StephanKim]

Hi everyone,

I'm using a multi-CPU system.

Recently, while working on some mixing projects, I noticed that the system load felt higher than usual.

You all probably know the kind of issues that come up in these situations, like the audio engine stopping or sound cutting out intermittently.

So, I opened Task Manager and found that only one of the two CPUs was being loaded.

I'm attaching some screenshots—one with the Plug-in Load Balance feature turned on and the other with it turned off.

Previously, the system would utilize all CPU cores, but something seems off now. 

And another thing, I noticed is that when the Plug-in Load Balance is enabled, the load is distributed more evenly, but instead of feeling more stable, it seems like the overall load is actually increasing.

What's the problem here?

I've noticed this before, which is why I often end up turning off the Plug-in Load Balance feature while using the program.

[Terry Kelley]

First off, none of the “cpu load” indicators are very accurate.  I’ve got projects that the processor can’t handle when using too many of a certain VST and neither the Cakewalk/ Sonar performance meter nor the Task Manager show it. Sure, they show an increase but nothin* goes red or bangs the ceiling. 
 

So don’t depend or focus  on them. They are often an interesting indicator but nothing more.
 

Focus on the cause of the problem which is almost always too small of a buffer or  a VST that inhales the processor and cores (like Arturia’s Augmented anything.) 

Edited October 28 by Terry Kelley

[pwallie]

sysinternals process explorer might give you more info

[Enissay Beats]

we want driver asio support like the new cakewalk sonar

 

[Jeremy Oakes]

23 hours ago, Enissay Beats said:

we want driver asio support like the new cakewalk sonar

 

AFAIA there is no difference. Both work as expected for me. What is your issue ?

J

[gustabo]

On 11/10/2024 at 1:12 PM, Enissay Beats said:

we want driver asio support like the new cakewalk sonar

 

It has ASIO driver support.

[StephanKim]

On 10/29/2024 at 2:22 AM, Terry Kelley said:

First off, none of the “cpu load” indicators are very accurate.  I’ve got projects that the processor can’t handle when using too many of a certain VST and neither the Cakewalk/ Sonar performance meter nor the Task Manager show it. Sure, they show an increase but nothin* goes red or bangs the ceiling. 
 

So don’t depend or focus  on them. They are often an interesting indicator but nothing more.
 

Focus on the cause of the problem which is almost always too small of a buffer or  a VST that inhales the processor and cores (like Arturia’s Augmented anything.) 

I’ve been using Sonar and Cakewalk for over 20 years.
This issue has only started happening recently, and it doesn’t seem to be related to any specific plugin but rather a change in the performance settings of the program itself.

The reason I say this is because I’m currently testing on a new workstation with a freshly installed Win11 OS(10, before), and CbB is still only utilizing one of the two CPUs.

It seems that in a recent version update, the behavior of the Multiprocessing Engine was changed—previously, it utilized all CPUs and cores, but now it appears to only use the cores of one CPU.

If a developer sees this post, I’d appreciate it if they could look into this.

[Nigel Mackay]

I have 12 cores. All 12 used with or without load balancing. My load is only enough to rise by 1 unit, but all 12 twinkle on and off, so all are being used. This is reflected in Resource Monitor.

[StephanKim]

On 10/22/2024 at 5:32 AM, StephanKim said:

Hi everyone,

I'm using a multi-CPU system.

Recently, while working on some mixing projects, I noticed that the system load felt higher than usual.

You all probably know the kind of issues that come up in these situations, like the audio engine stopping or sound cutting out intermittently.

So, I opened Task Manager and found that only one of the two CPUs was being loaded.

I'm attaching some screenshots—one with the Plug-in Load Balance feature turned on and the other with it turned off.

Previously, the system would utilize all CPU cores, but something seems off now. 

And another thing, I noticed is that when the Plug-in Load Balance is enabled, the load is distributed more evenly, but instead of feeling more stable, it seems like the overall load is actually increasing.

What's the problem here?

I've noticed this before, which is why I often end up turning off the Plug-in Load Balance feature while using the program.

I’m attaching screenshots from tests I conducted on the new system. All tests were performed with the same project.

I tested with the latest versions of both CbB and Sonar, and the results are even more extreme compared to the screenshots I shared earlier. It seems like one of the CPU cores/threads is completely unused.

Interestingly, Sonar appears to utilize some of the second CPU’s cores more than CbB does.(Sorry No screenshots saved in this time)

However, there was no difference in NUMA settings, and there weren’t any significant differences in the MMCSS configuration either.

I also discovered that my workstation system has a feature allowing me to view and adjust how processes set processor affinity. Upon checking, both CbB and Sonar showed similar behavior, with only partial utilization of one of the two CPUs.

I even tried forcing the process to use all cores, but this didn’t result in any significant changes.

Given that this behavior has been noticed recently (due to the perceived performance drop), I can’t help but wonder if it’s related to the latest updates to Windows 10 (on my previous system) or Windows 11 (on my current system).

I’m not a software engineer, so I don’t fully understand what might be causing this, but I hope someone with technical expertise can look into the issue.

It’s a bit confusing—if the software only uses one CPU, what’s the point of investing in an expensive multi-core system?