Craig Anderton Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 On 6/20/2024 at 1:25 PM, AndyB01 said: FWIW, I can't make head nor tail of Ableton so must be a generational thing. It's just a different paradigm that has its roots in live performance, as opposed to multitrack recording. Think of "loops" as "riffs." Suppose you have a four-piece band. You count off, and point to the drummer who starts playing a drum riff. Then you point to the bass player, who comes in on the drum downbeat and plays a bass riff. Then the rhythm guitarist comes in and plays a riff. That's just like triggering individual loops in Ableton Live. You can also tell individual musicians when to play a different riff. You can also trigger "scenes." This is like pointing to all four members and saying "on 4-3-2-1, start playing the chorus." Then they all switch to riffs that are in the chorus. Another "scene" would be where they all switch to a verse. Congrats! Now you not only know how Ableton Live works, but Sonar's Matrix View. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DescendingIntoVertigo Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 I've been a Loyal Cakewalk user since 1997 when I bought my first PC starting at Cakewalk Pro Audio 5. I started using the DAW based on a recommendation from Doug Marks Metal Method. I've been a loyal customer for 27 years and I did the annual enrollment to Band Lab in order to get access to use NEXT and the new the mew Sonar. Thank you (Band Lab) for saving Sonar from the incompetent fools at Gibson and for resurrecting a titan in the Digital Audio Workstation space. Now that that is all out there, I don't really see the advantage of NEXT or the need for it. Why would I want to use a reduced capability application like NEXT when I could just start my project in Sonar? As a guitar player, I tend to transcribe my song ideas into Guitar Pro 8 and then upload the midi when I'm happy with the results into Cakewalk by Band Lab, so I can use profession my Kontakt 7 libraries and more professional VST. If NEXT was more like Guitar Pro 8 I would use it more, but it really seems like a failure to me out of the blocks. Am I missing something? Please enlighten me... First impressions... The new Sonar seems like a huge step backward from Cakewalk by Band Lab and even Sonar Platinum. The console view may be higher resolution interface and according to Mike from Creative Sauce (on YouTube) has some advantages like Sprectum analysis in each track pane, but to me the Cakewalk by Band Lab interface looks a lot more professional and cleaner. I prefer it from an esthetics point of view. Why didn't you start the new software build at the latest Band Lab version or is it an IP ownership issue? Since I paid for the privilege of using the new Sonar, I have been using it lately, but really can't help feeling like it's a major step backward and that I should maybe start hedging my bets on a new DAW instead. Most of my musician friends are using Reaper. I don't really want to start having to learn a new DAW. I will have to wait and see what future updates. I hope the development management team is listening to your legacy customers and will return to the Cakewalk we all knew and loved. Also, as other have stated above I prefer the annual upgrade plan to the subscription plan that Microsoft started. I don't need a new upgrade every other week unless Microsoft does some major upgrade that breaks the current version. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alceste Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Good morning, I am an old Cakewalk user and I was registered on their site, where I had purchased some products such as Sonar, Z3TA+2 and their other VSTs. Days ago, in my account, I changed the reference email, and in doing so I was waiting for confirmation for the changes I made, but this confirmation never arrived. This way I no longer have the ability to access their old site and so I no longer have access to my products either. Can anyone tell me how to get my Cakewalk account back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm52 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 On 6/20/2024 at 1:24 PM, TVR PRODUCTIONS said: I built a crazy new multimedia computer in Dec and am yet to install Bandlab CW even though it is all I have used exclusively for the past few years. I don't want to bloat my computer with something I will not be using in the very near future. I am still debating if I should install temporarily so I can finish some projects up or just start them from scratch in Samplitude Pro X7 Yeah.... Stop using the DAW you are used to,,, and pay big bucks to prove a point of some sort.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVR PRODUCTIONS Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 On 6/24/2024 at 2:28 PM, jm52 said: Yeah.... Stop using the DAW you are used to,,, and pay big bucks to prove a point of some sort.... I’m used to Samplitude because I have used it since 2017 and I already paid for the last version. What point am I making other than I am not ever renting software the same way I will never lease a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Kelley Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 Rental is the only way to get it. Sonar is directed at the younger looper/sampler people, not the older musicians that dominate this forum. Frankly there aren't enough of us to matter and Bandlab has rightfully moved on to their new market. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitman Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 I logged into a windows 10 computer to check the backup (Acronis 2018) before they went all subscription. There I saw a toaster that read: Check out the new Acronis perpetual license! This silliness never lasts too long when there are true alternatives with marketplace traction. Intuit is absolutly FLEECING thier installed base because they have little to no alternatives with that marketplace traction. And us old koots who have an aversion to rental software that will stop working when you don't do what you're told and you're in the middle of a session rightly arent appreciated anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Sasor Posted August 10 Share Posted August 10 51 minutes ago, Terry Kelley said: Rental is the only way to get it. Sonar is directed at the younger looper/sampler people, not the older musicians that dominate this forum. Frankly there aren't enough of us to matter and Bandlab has rightfully moved on to their new market. Sonar is simply the next version the same way SONAR Platinum superceded X3. This thread ran its course in June, so I'm putting a lid on it. Thanks! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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