antler Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 (edited) Bigger than Black Friday, Cyber Monday or Xmas, our annual, deepest-discounts-of-the-year sale has begun. The following Kontakt Player libraries are 40-50% off: Riff Generation: Outside In Edition (save $105) Taiko Creator with the Expansion (save $80) Shimmer Shake Strike with the Expansion (save $60) Fluid Harmonics (save $90) Fluid Strike: Tuned Percussion (save $125) All loop titles 50% off (save $40-$125 per collection). The sale ends Sunday, November 3. https://insessionaudio.com/ Edited October 12, 2019 by antler 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bajan Blue Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I think that's a great price for shimmer shake strike + expansion, which I think is one of the best percussion library's I have used - this gets used on most tracks we do Nigel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) And there's also this https://vstbuzz.com/the-vault/shimmer-shake/ and with my reward points I can have it for less than half it's price! Maybe not as awesome as the SSS but if you cannot stress out hundreds for a shaker, there is an alternative . Edited October 15, 2019 by chris.r 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesh Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 (edited) Those of you who got Riff Generation, how do you guys like it so far and do you use it regularly in your composition? (the Outside In Edition) Edited October 15, 2019 by Mesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monomox Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 17 hours ago, Bajan Blue said: I think that's a great price for shimmer shake strike + expansion, which I think is one of the best percussion library's I have used - this gets used on most tracks we do Nigel Nigel, is the tambourine in Constantly Disappointed Toleration 100% SSS? It sounds amazing, particularly in the chorus and the transition to the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Mesh said: Those of you who got Riff Generation, how do you guys like it so far and do you use it regularly in your composition? (the Outside In Edition) Hey Mesh, I bought it but haven't used it yet in a composition. It looks to have quite a few complexities and consequently the learning curve to get the most out of it is probably longer than something like InstaChord/InstaScale/Riffer, but then again it can do more. Anyway, I'm far too busy with GAS ? I'll let you know when I use it in earnest! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesh Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 31 minutes ago, ZincT said: Hey Mesh, I bought it but haven't used it yet in a composition. It looks to have quite a few complexities and consequently the learning curve to get the most out of it is probably longer than something like InstaChord/InstaScale/Riffer, but then again it can do more. Anyway, I'm far too busy with GAS ? I'll let you know when I use it in earnest! ....and they said you can fully grasp it from the 20 min video. ? Thanks Zinc!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Mesh said: ....and they said you can fully grasp it from the 20 min video. ? Thanks Zinc!! That sounds like a challenge! I will set aside 20 minutes tomorrow and let you know how I get on. The thing is that you can load a preset, press generate and voilà, a masterpiece. However, I would like to have more say in what it generates and I haven't completely mastered what all of colored blobs do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bajan Blue Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 monomex - yes in Constantly Disappointed Toleration (the track) the tambourines are mostly from shimmer shake strike - think we played one (shock /horror) as well Nigel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monomox Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 22 hours ago, chris.r said: And there's also this https://vstbuzz.com/the-vault/shimmer-shake/ and with my reward points I can have it for less than half it's price! Maybe not as awesome as the SSS but if you cannot stress out hundreds for a shaker, there is an alternative . I checked it out and it's a good alternative. It's worthwhile to see the walk-through video. I have 50 points and that translates to about $5, you must have like 600 points?! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 160 was enough, no idea how did I collect them over time . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 On 10/15/2019 at 1:38 PM, Mesh said: Those of you who got Riff Generation, how do you guys like it so far and do you use it regularly in your composition? (the Outside In Edition) Hey Mesh, see below for my initial thoughts on Riff Generation - Outside in Edition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 (edited) InSessionAudio Riff Generation – Outside In Edition (First Impressions by ZincT) I spent about an hour yesterday using Riff Generation – Outside In Edition, reviewing all of the “video manual” and also skimmed the 73 page PDF manual. It’s a nice touch that you can access all of these from a shortcut in the Kontakt UI. I should make clear that these are my initial impressions and I don’t claim to be an expert user of RG yet although I hope that will be the case when I have used it more. If you want a summary skip to last paragraph. Suffice it to say that this is definitely a level above the average auto riff creation tool. It is clear that a lot of thought, time and effort has gone into its creation and it is also very stable. The Generate button affects all generatable parameters unless they are locked and there are also separate generate buttons for rhythm, level, pitch, time, sound as well as more granular generation buttons for glide, stutter, delay burst, verb burst, velocity, volume and pan. Sounds default to being locked for presets to avoid sound design accidents but these can be also be unlocked. The matrix display shows the pitch, which sound is selected for each step (colour coded) and whether glide, stutter, delay burst, verb burst is enabled per step. It comes with a lot of great sounding samples which can occupy up to 5 sound locations (A to E). The original version of Riff Generation contained mainly synth sounds but this “Outside In” edition contains mostly external samples of acoustic instruments which have clearly been created to work well together. The samples include Vibraphone, Xylophone, Balafon, Tongue Drum, Nylon Guitar, Acoustic Guitar, Electic Guitar, Pedal Steel, 12 String Guitar, Electric Bass, Hammered Dulcimer, ‘Cello, Chimes, Crystal, Bells, Glock, Music Box, Kalimba, Piano, E Piano and the list goes on as well as a few choice synth sounds. I understand that it is possible, with some effort, to use your own samples within Riff Generation but I haven’t tried this myself (see https://youtu.be/fg8NjeWFCiw ) There are over 225 presets which are sorted by tempo (bpm 70 to 139). These presets contain patterns with specific sounds/effects and other parameters which the author has created and can be loaded and used as is or as a starting point for your own patterns by hitting the “generate” button. The Effects section contains Filter, Mod, Lo-fi/Distortion, Compression, EQ, Delay and Reverb. There are also quite a few Generation Templates which can act as a good starting point for your own patterns. Unlike the presets these do not contain any patterns so once loaded you must then press the Generate button to create a pattern. I have now reviewed all of these and saved my own versions to act as starting points for future songs. After loading a preset or template you can then select the Key and Scale that you want to work with which are applied to the loaded pattern. For example, you could start with a pattern generated in C Ionian if then then switch to C Aeolian (even while playing) and any major 3rds that occur will be changed to minor 3rds. You can only see 32 steps in a pattern on the screen at a time but a pattern can be up to 256 steps stored in up to 8 pages and you can easily switch between them using the 1-8 buttons in the UI. In addition, patterns can be stored in up to 8 scenes which can be switched using the UI or keyswitches. This could be used, for example, to create separate intro, verse, bridge and chorus sections. Pattern playing is triggered by MIDI input from your controller and can be latched. There is also switchable MIDI input quantize. There is a MIDI drag and drop button which allows generated patterns to be easily copied into your DAW and this worked fine with Cakewalk by Bandlab. Alternatively, you can re-route the MIDI created by Riff Generation using the Kontakt engine option to send script generated MIDI notes to the outside world so that it plays your own virtual instrument. In summary, this is a useful tool to generate patterns and spark your imagination to act as a starting point for song creation or even to add something extra to an existing song. The main limitation I can see is that each step can only trigger one sound so the patterns tend to sound like complex arpeggios. This is where sound design/choice becomes key to creating a useful pattern and the presets/templates provide a lot of excellent examples. However, multiple patterns could be stacked in your DAW to make chords. As for bass lines some of the presets/templates are aimed more towards bass patterns. It is entirely feasible that an entire song could be crafted using RG. In fact that sounds like a challenge to add to my to-do list! Edited October 17, 2019 by ZincT typos 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesh Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 Wow ZT, now that's what I call a full review!! Thanks so much for taking the time to write this and this certainly looks to be a good tool to have in the toolbox. Now that you got to 'get under the hood', do you think you'll be using it on a regular basis? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mesh said: Wow ZT, now that's what I call a full review!! Thanks so much for taking the time to write this and this certainly looks to be a good tool to have in the toolbox. Now that you got to 'get under the hood', do you think you'll be using it on a regular basis? My pleasure Mesh! Yes I think it will become something I use for new compositions and also for adding something to existing songs or even covers. I will also have a go at making an entire song using it. It would be even better if I capture the process on YouTube...maybe in installments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesh Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 I'd definitely be a subscriber!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monomox Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, ZincT said: My pleasure Mesh! Yes I think it will become something I use for new compositions and also for adding something to existing songs or even covers. I will also have a go at making an entire song using it. It would be even better if I capture the process on YouTube...maybe in installments. what's the address for your YouTube channel? I want to subscribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 50 minutes ago, Monomox said: what's the address for your YouTube channel? I want to subscribe I haven't used YouTube in a while for uploads but I will let you know when there's something worthwhile there (unless you want to check out my covers under the pseudonym AfterGlow on the Cover-in-a-week channel - see sig). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mesh Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 37 minutes ago, ZincT said: I haven't used YouTube in a while for uploads but I will let you know when there's something worthwhile there (unless you want to check out my covers under the pseudonym AfterGlow on the Cover-in-a-week channel - see sig). That's some very good stuff there!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZincT Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mesh said: That's some very good stuff there!! Thanks Mesh, much appreciated I must check out the songs forum again soon! Have you and the Forum Monkeys been doing much lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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