TTS-1 Works In Old Projects But Crashes New Ones.

[T-J]

Well, I had 3 instances of TTS-1.dll file, and renaming the one in default folder made it disappear from insert synth menu, so it did worked.. I renamed back, and it was back, so you can... One of the files was dated earlier (from some old backup folder) and i copied that to default folder, but it behaved ths same manner, crashed CW on first note.

 

I removed TTS from plugin manager to avoid to use it if I forget the problem… I’ll put it back if there is a solution some day..

 

[abacab]

There is a TTS-1.dll in the "C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\Shared DXi\" folder, but pwal is correct, it's not a VST.

[User 905133]

FWIW, earlier today I looked at the file details for what seem to be 5 different TTS-1.dll files based on size. One says File Version 1.0.1; the others say 1.0.2; all are (c) 2004.  I have not yet checked to see which one I am using, but am curious to try to find out which one I am using.

Not sure if some of the variant dlls are problematic. The so-called "Date Modified" ranges from 9-11-2006 for 1.0.1 and from 8-27-2009 to 3-13-2018 for 1.0.2.

Knock on wood, since I started with CbB (05-2019), TTS-1 has worked for me.  However, I only send it through one or two audio FX plug-ins and one or two spectrum analysis plug-ins.

Not sure any of this will help others DX [pun-intended] their TTS-1, but I was curious and figured as long as I did the research, why not share it.

[abacab]

15 hours ago, User 905133 said:

FWIW, earlier today I looked at the file details for what seem to be 5 different TTS-1.dll files based on size. One says File Version 1.0.1; the others say 1.0.2; all are (c) 2004.  I have not yet checked to see which one I am using, but am curious to try to find out which one I am using.

Not sure if some of the variant dlls are problematic. The so-called "Date Modified" ranges from 9-11-2006 for 1.0.1 and from 8-27-2009 to 3-13-2018 for 1.0.2.

Knock on wood, since I started with CbB (05-2019), TTS-1 has worked for me.  However, I only send it through one or two audio FX plug-ins and one or two spectrum analysis plug-ins.

Not sure any of this will help others DX [pun-intended] their TTS-1, but I was curious and figured as long as I did the research, why not share it.

I'm fairly sure that the 3-13-2018  version 1.02 is the latest. That's the one I have.

And the date coincides with the BandLab re-branding of TTS-1 from Roland to Cakewalk in the GUI. It used to be named Roland TTS-1, before BandLab acquired the properties from Gibson

 But I don't believe any functional changes were made, only cosmetic.

[User 905133]

9 minutes ago, abacab said:

I'm fairly sure that the 3-13-2018  version 1.02 is the latest. That's the one I have.

And the date coincides with the BandLab re-branding of TTS-1 from Roland to Cakewalk in the GUI. It used to be named Roland TTS-1, before BandLab acquired the properties from Gibson

 But I don't believe any functional changes were made, only cosmetic.

Thanks for the details.  You saved me lots of time--not having to try to figure out which dll is being used!! Mine says "Cakewalk" (not Roland).  ?  

Edited February 10, 2020 by User 905133
to fix typo

[abacab]

Here's an image of the original TTS-1 GUI.

As a minor correction to what I stated earlier, you can see that it said "TTS-1 POWERED BY ROLAND" over on the left.  It actually already said Cakewalk over on the right.

They trimmed the phrase "POWERED BY ROLAND".

Edited February 10, 2020 by abacab

[User 905133]

Side by side (my screen shot on the right, w/o "Powered by Roland"):

   

 

[mdiemer]

I'm going to contact the astronomer Alex Fillipenko to ask him to add TTS-1 to the list of unsolved problems physicists are working on, like unifying gravity with the other three fundamental forces; creating a unified field theory, etc. 

[gmp]

On 10/10/2019 at 5:58 PM, Craig Anderton said:

No.

FWIW, I use the TTS-1 in both CbB and Studio One (with a DX wrapper). Maybe try a DX wrapper that fools CbB into thinking it's a VST? But don't give up - it can work in new projects, and still has some pretty effing cool sounds.

 Craig, after looking at this long thread, it seems you are the only one who has a solution and are successfully using it with CbB. Can you tell us how to use the DX wrapper so we can use the TTS-1? 

I have a project that needs Steel Drums and after opening TTS-1 several times and choosing the Steel Drums and then having it instantly crash when I hit a midi note on my keyboard. I went ahead and tried the last Sonar Platinum and it works fine there and actually is an excellent Steel Drum sound. I have almost every version of CbB and tried this on the very first one April 2018 and got the same crash. 

I do have the 64 bit and 32 bit versions installed, so I'd love to try the DX wrapper, so I can use it. Please help.

[User 905133]

On 2/9/2020 at 5:51 PM, User 905133 said:

Knock on wood, since I started with CbB (05-2019), TTS-1 has worked for me.  However, I only send it through one or two audio FX plug-ins and one or two spectrum analysis plug-ins.

 

1 hour ago, gmp said:

 Craig, after looking at this long thread, it seems you are the only one who has a solution and are successfully using it with CbB.

 HUH?????

[gmp]

8 minutes ago, User 905133 said:

 

 HUH?????

I'm not sure what you mean by "only send it through one or two audio FX plug-ins and one or two spectrum analysis plug-ins"

What I've tried is to open the Synth rack and hit the + button and add the TTS-1. I can then change the preset, but as soon as I hit a note on my keyboard it crashes. Others have reported the exact same thing in this thread with no solution.

If you can outline what steps you take to make this work I'd appreciate it

[User 905133]

21 hours ago, gmp said:

I'm not sure what you mean by "only send it through one or two audio FX plug-ins and one or two spectrum analysis plug-ins"

What I've tried is to open the Synth rack and hit the + button and add the TTS-1. I can then change the preset, but as soon as I hit a note on my keyboard it crashes. Others have reported the exact same thing in this thread with no solution.

If you can outline what steps you take to make this work I'd appreciate it

I mentioned that because frequently I see posts where people use a lot of Audio FX plug-ins and sometimes solutions to problems seem to come from isolating a plug-in or two that are problematic.  My comment was intended to mean TTS-1 works for me, but I don't send the TTS-1 audio to a lot of plug-ins; so, if someone uses a lot of plug-in with TTS-1, my success might not be relevant if another person has a project using TTS-1 that uses more plug-ins than I use. 

I could try to start a new project with just a single TTS-1 instance (no FX) and jot down my steps, but since it works on my PC, I am not sure having the steps will help. 

Maybe it would be quicker if I did a small project that I know works on my setup and you could try that?  If it works, then I will outline the basic steps. If on the other hand it doesn't work, maybe the project can be used to try to isolate the problem with much more detailed steps.

I have several TTS-1 plug-ins on my PC, but I have confirmed that I am using the one on the bottom:

  Basic TTS-1 project attached. 

Steps: (1) Open Cakewalk, (2) Open Barebones [Blank] Template, (3) Right Click in Track Pane, (4) Choose "Insert Instrument," (5) Click "Create" in Wizard [no special options, but at the bottom it should point to the main output you use], (6) Wait until TTS-1 comes up, (7) Press the channel buttons at the bottom to make sure TTS-1 is pointing to your sound card/audio output device. If not, problem-solve audio to make sure your audio output is selected as the midi output, etc.

To test my recorded midi: (8) Press Play/Space Bar.  If it plays, great.  If not, problem-solve midi/audio.

To play live (and record), I then (9) expanded the track, (10) selected my usb/midi keyboard as the input device (Omni for all midi channels), and recorded a short phrase.  

Hopefully it plays the midi/audio track.  If that's OK, maybe it won't crash when you try playing from your keyboard.

PS: I just downloaded it. It played when I hit the space bar. Then it played live from my usb keyboard. You might have to check preferences and make sure it is set up for your midi/audio I/O.

Edited February 16, 2020 by User 905133
(3) to remove TTS-1 project since it wasn't really needed to solve the problem; (2) to add a PS; (1) to add a TTS-1 Basic Project as a starting point to problem-solve the issue.

[gmp]

Thanks for the detailed post. I checked plugin manager to see what DLL I was using and the only one that's in the 64 bit shared DXi folder is the latest one 2018 like you have. I then loaded the default normal template from 2017 and TTS-1 works fine with that. 

Then I tried again the song I wanted the TTS-1 on and this time it worked - no crash. This is surprising after 2 crashes in a row and all the other posts of the same crash problem. So it appears there's something a little quirky about this plugin. 

For my future reference I documented the steps I took to get it to work. Possibly this will help someone else in the future.

Some of this is unique to my setup like the MOTU midi interface and the Ivory output

OPEN TTS-1 IN SYNTH RACK

CHOOSE DEFAULTS

GO TO AUDIO TRACK AND CHOOSE IVORY OUTPUT

GO TO MIDI TRACK AND CHOOSE MOTU MIDI AND CHANNEL - 1-TTS 1

OPEN TTS-1 WINDOW

CHOOSE PRESET

PUT ACTIVE TRACK ON MIDI TRACK - PLAY

So Craig Anderton, I don't need the DX wrapper. maybe it's already being used by CbB. I've rarely used this plugin, but after that endorsement by Craig, I'll definitely check it out more.

[User 905133]

Glad to hear you got it working on your system.  Others have mentioned that after problems, they had successes using the Synth Rack insertion method.  I have used three methods: drop down menu, synth rack, right click from track pane.  Maybe the advice is, if one insertion method doesn't work, try the others.

Update: Make that four methods.  I also use the Browser Insertion methods (usually via double-click, more than by dragging). 

Edited February 16, 2020 by User 905133
to add a fourth method as per abacab's reminder

[abacab]

I have always used the top menu "Insert > Soft Synth" dropdown, or just dragging an instrument from the browser into the track pane, to insert an instrument track, and I don't believe I have ever seen TTS-1 crash. It's not my go-to instrument by any means, but I have opened it enough that I would take notice if there were any issues on my system.

 

Edited February 16, 2020 by abacab

[mark skinner]

I'm in a project now with 3 midi tracks to different instruments in TTS.  all done with midi controller.  TTS has "never" crashed but this one feels like its going to. Getting a lot of pops and glitchy playback.  Freezing synth fixed playback.  Besides CbB , I only have  32bit Sonar programs installed.  How do I tell if I'm using 64 or wrapped 32 bit TTS. ?   ms

[abacab]

15 minutes ago, mark skinner said:

I'm in a project now with 3 midi tracks to different instruments in TTS.  all done with midi controller.  TTS has "never" crashed but this one feels like its going to. Getting a lot of pops and glitchy playback.  Freezing synth fixed playback.  Besides CbB , I only have  32bit Sonar programs installed.  How do I tell if I'm using 64 or wrapped 32 bit TTS. ?   ms

If you open the plugins view in the Cakewalk browser, it should tell you if the plugin is 32-bit, or DX, as is the case of TTS-1. Click once on the instrument or FX in the browser, and then look at the info bar at the bottom of the browser pane for details.

I would install the 64-bit version of Sonar to get the Sonar plugins in the 64-bit version, and avoid 32-bit whenever possible.

Pops and glitches can be due to various causes, but typically they have to do with your audio driver settings, such as too low audio buffers. Try raising them until the pops go away.

 

Edited February 16, 2020 by abacab

[mark skinner]

If you have No daws installed do you get the 64 bit TTS with CbB. ?   I don't have access to any 64 bit Sonar programs.  If I "really" need my 32bit stuff I use it in a 32bit program then just import the audio to the CbB project.   mark

[abacab]

3 hours ago, mark skinner said:

If you have No daws installed do you get the 64 bit TTS with CbB. ?   I don't have access to any 64 bit Sonar programs.  If I "really" need my 32bit stuff I use it in a 32bit program then just import the audio to the CbB project.   mark

CbB is 64-bit only, and comes with a 64-bit DXi (Direct X) plugin version of TTS-1.

You mentioned earlier that you had 32-bit Sonar programs installed. What do you have?

(Edit: CbB will run 32-bit (VST, not DX) plugins with the included bit bridge)

Edited February 16, 2020 by abacab

[abacab]

1 hour ago, mark skinner said:

  I don't have access to any 64 bit Sonar programs. 

The Sonar installers com with both flavors included, and they ask if you want the 32-bit or 64-bit version at the beginning.

You can use your old download installer files, or access  them again at your old Cakewalk account at https://www.cakewalk.com/My-Account/Login?ReturnUrl=%2fMy-Account

If your product had shipped on DVD (prior to the Sonar X1-X3 series) instead of download, you can use that.