bats brew Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 https://batsbrew.bandcamp.com/track/running-free would love some feedback on the mix, working this one up right now 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack c. Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 right on brother.jack c merry christmas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markno999 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Bat, Cool song, like it overall. The vocals seem pretty far back in the mix. More on the production side than the mix side, the only other thing that threw me off was the drum thing starting around 1:30. I think you had so much momentum going with that driving drum beat and bass part, I found breaking that momentum to be a little distracting. I think it would work better when you drop the instruments out to keep the same general drum beat going and maybe add some offbeat percussion instead of changing the drums completely. Very cool upbeat song and enjoyed it very much. Regards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridget Murphy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 It's always helpful to get input, especially on maintaining momentum in certain sections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark skinner Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Robert , I Really liked the mix and I thought your vocal harmony's were Fantastic! I really liked the drum "flams" and drums as a whole. The drum change up part threw me off a little (only for a second) and then I felt what you were going for. Very creative , I wasn't trying to dance to it .. Enjoyed it .. mark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bats brew Posted December 23, 2023 Author Share Posted December 23, 2023 On 12/22/2023 at 1:49 AM, Bridget Murphy said: It's always helpful to get input, especially on maintaining momentum in certain sections. That is why I posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bats brew Posted December 23, 2023 Author Share Posted December 23, 2023 https://batsbrew.bandcamp.com/track/running-free ok, remixed the entire thing, using the ideas folks gave me! thanks for that... and re-eq'd the entire drum kit. it's getting closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreeEarCandy Posted December 23, 2023 Share Posted December 23, 2023 Really nice tones. Vocals have a strong Ozzy influence. So much so, I really think you are Ozzy hiding behind the name Bats Brew ;-). Kidding of course. Yeah, the 1:30 drum thing through me off too. Perhaps a key change at that spot would clean it up and also add a surprise dimension to explore? I'm sort of imagining the guitars dropping out and you have something in a lower key going on between the bass and drum. Sort of like taking a breath/rest before charging in again. Along the lines of what the band Rush did 3:00 in to the song La Villa Strangiato. Even if you don't use a key change, I think backing off the guitars and letting the bass and drum play it though would accomplish what I think you were trying to do in that area. All the above aside, I like your tune, Ozzy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bats brew Posted December 24, 2023 Author Share Posted December 24, 2023 so, i remixed this today, worked on the vox quite a bit, reduced the actual 2nd lead vox tracks, and moved them off center, or mute them at times.. left the harmonies, but repositioned in the stereo field, and added some more room verb, which made them sit in the mix even better. i have the magma bb tubes on the vocal bus, i reduced the high end a bit, and reduced the odd order harmonics (beast) and that made them quite a bit smoother. see how you like the new one please! (same link, i never keep the older mixes.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bats brew Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 On 12/21/2023 at 11:21 AM, jack c. said: right on brother.jack c merry christmas Thanks so much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bats brew Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 On 12/21/2023 at 1:55 PM, markno999 said: Bat, Cool song, like it overall. The vocals seem pretty far back in the mix. More on the production side than the mix side, the only other thing that threw me off was the drum thing starting around 1:30. I think you had so much momentum going with that driving drum beat and bass part, I found breaking that momentum to be a little distracting. I think it would work better when you drop the instruments out to keep the same general drum beat going and maybe add some offbeat percussion instead of changing the drums completely. Very cool upbeat song and enjoyed it very much. Regards That drum break is my favorite part mark! Heh, no, I think I'll keep that part, its inherent to my sense of humor! vox are up now. Tnx for getting me to think about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bats brew Posted December 26, 2023 Author Share Posted December 26, 2023 On 12/22/2023 at 7:54 AM, mark skinner said: Robert , I Really liked the mix and I thought your vocal harmony's were Fantastic! I really liked the drum "flams" and drums as a whole. The drum change up part threw me off a little (only for a second) and then I felt what you were going for. Very creative , I wasn't trying to dance to it .. Enjoyed it .. mark hey mark! i'm glad you dig this mix, i suppose it will appeal to some, and not to others, that's ok with me... those drum flams, are fills i took from the 'rooms of hansa' SDX kit with Superior Drummer. i really like that set. i've built a custom drum kit, i'm still working on what i will call my 'signature' kit. the drum part change happens as the arrangement changes, and the mood of the song changes, it keeps the groove going, but releases the tension completely, hopefully aligns the listener's ear with the next section. i thought about just dropping the drums out completely at that point, as the music plays on, and letting it come back in with the full band a few bars later... i may still try this approach, as i finalize what i want to do with the song. thanks for the input! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron_Pko Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 As always a great taste for composing songs! As for the mix, I like. Except two things that are bothering me with the higher frequencies. One thing is the crash cymbal on the right side. I am listening with headphones, and it sounds a little bit harsh, pierces my ear every time it hits. And another thing in some words there is a harsh ''S'' sound, like for example in the word ''nice'' around 0:32. Also I am noticing some harsh ''S'' sounds from 2:04 to 2:09 specially on the word ''sky'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bats brew Posted December 27, 2023 Author Share Posted December 27, 2023 20 hours ago, Ron_Pko said: As always a great taste for composing songs! As for the mix, I like. Except two things that are bothering me with the higher frequencies. One thing is the crash cymbal on the right side. I am listening with headphones, and it sounds a little bit harsh, pierces my ear every time it hits. And another thing in some words there is a harsh ''S'' sound, like for example in the word ''nice'' around 0:32. Also I am noticing some harsh ''S'' sounds from 2:04 to 2:09 specially on the word ''sky'' thanks for listening ron! good ears you have.. i'm going to find those freq's, and kill them with extreme prejudice!!! LOL actually, maybe just a touch of a dynamic EQ on just the one frequency, i think in the case of the cymbal (superior drummer rooms of hansa), i may just drop the pitch of the cymbals a smidge, and see if that shifts that frequency to make it a bit richer. if not, same deal with the vox, i'll deess it with either deesser or dynamic eq, which i'm using more of these days for problem solving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron_Pko Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 14 hours ago, bats brew said: thanks for listening ron! good ears you have.. i'm going to find those freq's, and kill them with extreme prejudice!!! LOL actually, maybe just a touch of a dynamic EQ on just the one frequency, i think in the case of the cymbal (superior drummer rooms of hansa), i may just drop the pitch of the cymbals a smidge, and see if that shifts that frequency to make it a bit richer. if not, same deal with the vox, i'll deess it with either deesser or dynamic eq, which i'm using more of these days for problem solving. Man if you still don't have it, I recommend getting a license for ''Waves Sibilance''. One of the things that I most hated was going after those ''s'' sounds to correct them, it was a pain in the S indeed lol After I got Waves Sibilance my nightmares with it ended. It handles practically 99% of the problem every time automatically without affecting the voice itself and just attacking the evil S's. You just need to figure out the best settings for your voice, then save a preset and use it every time. Listening again here, the S problem happens in many parts of the lyrics. As for the crash... I am not sure if it is really the frequency or just a bit too loud. I am sure you will find out though. Everything else sounds great! : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bats brew Posted December 28, 2023 Author Share Posted December 28, 2023 10 hours ago, Ron_Pko said: Man if you still don't have it, I recommend getting a license for ''Waves Sibilance''. One of the things that I most hated was going after those ''s'' sounds to correct them, it was a pain in the S indeed lol After I got Waves Sibilance my nightmares with it ended. It handles practically 99% of the problem every time automatically without affecting the voice itself and just attacking the evil S's. You just need to figure out the best settings for your voice, then save a preset and use it every time. Listening again here, the S problem happens in many parts of the lyrics. As for the crash... I am not sure if it is really the frequency or just a bit too loud. I am sure you will find out though. Everything else sounds great! : ) excellent idea! i have waves Renn de esser, and De esser, plus a de esser with studio one, but haven't tried sibilence. you know, some plugs just work better than others by design, so yea, on sale, i might nab it. the crash, i processed the pitch a bit lower, and lowered the volume a bit, and voila. i actually like the pitch of the cymbal now. it's a keeper. i wont post another mix of this, til i release for album. appreciate the help along the way! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron_Pko Posted December 28, 2023 Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 hours ago, bats brew said: excellent idea! i have waves Renn de esser, and De esser, plus a de esser with studio one, but haven't tried sibilence. you know, some plugs just work better than others by design, so yea, on sale, i might nab it. the crash, i processed the pitch a bit lower, and lowered the volume a bit, and voila. i actually like the pitch of the cymbal now. it's a keeper. i wont post another mix of this, til i release for album. appreciate the help along the way! No problem! Glad to help : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bats brew Posted December 29, 2023 Author Share Posted December 29, 2023 On 12/23/2023 at 3:37 PM, FreeEarCandy said: Really nice tones. Vocals have a strong Ozzy influence. So much so, I really think you are Ozzy hiding behind the name Bats Brew ;-). Kidding of course. Yeah, the 1:30 drum thing through me off too. Perhaps a key change at that spot would clean it up and also add a surprise dimension to explore? I'm sort of imagining the guitars dropping out and you have something in a lower key going on between the bass and drum. Sort of like taking a breath/rest before charging in again. Along the lines of what the band Rush did 3:00 in to the song La Villa Strangiato. Even if you don't use a key change, I think backing off the guitars and letting the bass and drum play it though would accomplish what I think you were trying to do in that area. All the above aside, I like your tune, Ozzy! ha! ozzy! i dig ozzy. one of my first albums i ever bought, was the black sabbath Paranoid album.. so i can't see he's NOT an influence! love rush too... the meter drop out has to be there, to match up with the lyric... i've made it more obvious now, and i already had a key change after the 1st verse... what i call the middle eight, happens twice, there is a full step up, then a step back down to the main key. not a bad idea, for sure, but wouldn't really work with the flow i'm going for. i appreciate the comments, thanks for listening! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noynekker Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Hey bats brew ! . . . very much enjoyed this one . . . influence wise I'm hearing more like Kansas, or even Styx . . . but I date myself, lol . . . I think this is the trickiest genre to mix . . . getting that round analog sound for rock and roll in a digital world, and I think you've done a great job. Top shelf guitar work as always ! . . . and I listen with great appreciation to the hard and detailed work that went into this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bats brew Posted December 31, 2023 Author Share Posted December 31, 2023 On 12/29/2023 at 8:22 PM, noynekker said: Hey bats brew ! . . . very much enjoyed this one . . . influence wise I'm hearing more like Kansas, or even Styx . . . but I date myself, lol . . . I think this is the trickiest genre to mix . . . getting that round analog sound for rock and roll in a digital world, and I think you've done a great job. Top shelf guitar work as always ! . . . and I listen with great appreciation to the hard and detailed work that went into this one. Glad you're hearing what I was going after! Yea, its hard. Mostly training the ear to hear the difference between hard clarity and smoothness the ear really wants to hear. Thanks for the comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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