Reid Rosefelt Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 3 hours ago, Nick Blanc said: They can't get back what they didn't have. Their perpetual sale tactics and their sprinkling of free plugins all over the place made me distrust their system. But for me, this whole thing was just a big 'meh'. I could see how other people were affected and that is shameful at least. But for me personally? Nothing. They have nothing I would really want (perhaps Clarity) and don't already have, I don't do WUP and my Windows machine pretty much ensures me I will never have to. So, come to think of it, I was already done with Waves haha. Nevermind. Carry on. I respect that Waves gets to decide how they do business and for a long time they have used WUP and a number of other policies, like very high list prices which make resales difficult. I respect that they have the right to do these things, I just choose to respond as a customer by rarely buying their products. But they have had a system in place over the years and they've stuck to it. Which is a commitment they've made to their loyal customers. Most are okay with it. But IMHO this move is like Elon Musk firing people suddenly and without warning and then realizing he needs them so he tries to hire them back. Even though they then have their jobs back, it's not like nothing happened. Waves has shown their cards about what kind of company they are and I believe they have diminished their brand forever. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroverKen Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) Just received an email to tell me I can now WUP for only $716.87 And will I? Edited March 30, 2023 by GroverKen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, GroverKen said: Just received an email to tell me I can now WUP. And will I? unless you really need to WUP today for technical reasons it's usually best to wait until you really need to before you WUP - or if they add enough plugins to your bundles to make it worth while (which never happens any more). Also depending on what you've got it sometimes cheaper to UPGRADE to another bundle than WUP as this gives you the WUP plus extra plugs....so if you wait you may get a bigger deal ? obviously YMMV. In the short term there is no way they will remove WUP after this week so you are safe for a bit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zo Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Fleer said: Unbelievable indeed. Literally. Clown world happened lol Just learned a new english sentence by the way today : "your monkey your circus " lol (India to USA about ukraine lol ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 minute ago, pwalpwal said: ahem - rollback plan - ahem if i had any investment in waves this would not help my opinion of them or their it/business acumen but it's not really a rollback ? It's a rollforward They are not stopping the subscription or the various other 'new' things they announced - they are having to hack the perpetual licences and WUP back into the current running system, and I assume some people bought the subscription ? It's much, much harder proposition than just going back to the backup from Sunday morning. Sounds like hard work to me ? but I agree it wouldn't help my opinion of their business acumen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byron Dickens Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 This whole debacle just solidifies my non-interest in Waves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technostica Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 I'm really pleased for all the people that would have taken a big hit on this. At least they have the choice now on how they wish to proceed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffo Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 5:30 AM, TheSteven said: Brillant marketing on Waves part - like the Coke/Coke Classic move in 1985 regardless of their motivations it raised Cokes profits that year 14%. For Wave - tons of free publicity, lots of sales generated by people trying to obtain permanent licenses or WUP before the deadline and they flushed out all the old license codes that were out in the wild. Despite some potentially grump customers - a win/win situation for Waves. I don't see it this as a win-win for Waves at all. Their reputation was mediocre before this. Now it's in tatters. They say any publicity is good publicity. This might apply in the case covered by Oscar Wilde's quote: “The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about” but it doesn't apply here. Waves were already talked about. They didn't need the extra exposure, and they certainly didn't need this kind of exposure. A lot of the customers they've lost over this debacle will be lost for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zo Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 I§s it me or Waves just go back all sales in house without having to justify it to resellers and contracts ... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicMan Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Zo said: I§s it me or Waves just go back all sales in house without having to justify it to resellers and contracts ... I've been thinking about that too.. they obviously shafted all their users in the process, but also all their resellers that have supported them over so many years even when they've become the joke of the industry. They appear to have been able to poorly handle any of their relationships all at once.. I hope they at least look after their developers and any suppliers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Usually I have to buy 3 licenses of a Waves product. I aint doin that USB drive either. I have 3 iLoks and those never move where I can hardly find most of my USB drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSteven Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 55 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: Usually I have to buy 3 licenses of a Waves product. I aint doin that USB drive either. I have 3 iLoks and those never move where I can hardly find most of my USB drives. The past couple of years I've been keeping my Waves licenses on a small USB that lives on my USB hub, haven't had any problems with it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I had 3 licenses of many Waves titles for a very specific reason: not to WUP. And then Waves told us perpetual licenses would be no more, So I gave them all away. And then Waves said sorry. I love those guys, really do 1 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zo Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Fleer said: I had 3 licenses of many Waves titles for a very specific reason: not to WUP. And then Waves told us perpetual licenses would be no more, So I gave them all away. And then Waves said sorry. I love those guys, really do Ask them a re activation , i'm serious ..... And re sell them another time ahahah (joking here ..... or not lol ) Edited March 31, 2023 by Zo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Just now, Zo said: Ask them a re activation , i'm serious ..... Nah, thanks Zo, I’m going to leave it at that. Bygones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zo Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Just now, Fleer said: Nah, thanks Zo, I’m going to leave it at that. Bygones I know ya a wise man .... San Fleer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 33 minutes ago, TheSteven said: The past couple of years I've been keeping my Waves licenses on a small USB that lives on my USB hub, haven't had any problems with it. That's not the point. It's an annoyance opening up a system without the makeshift dongle and sets off a DAW reminding you many times it's not plugged. The moral of the story is their......licensing...........SUCKS! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Zo said: I§s it me or Waves just go back all sales in house without having to justify it to resellers and contracts ... Former vendors do not make great friends. See some of JrR's comments on KVR. Edited March 31, 2023 by kitekrazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triangleman Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Soooooo will there be the 25% off WUP sale like usual this time of year? That's all I really wanted but then the popsicle stand blew up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 The updated Waves Central sucks, bring back the old one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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