lawajava Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, abacab said: At high speed! From the Waves announcement on their site: “we’re working to get perpetual available again as soon as possible”. Edited March 29, 2023 by lawajava 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapu Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 37 minutes ago, Sander Verstraten said: That didn't take long Prolly CLA et.al. said "remove my name unless you bring back perpetual/WUP". 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 WUP. The new and improved alternative to a subscription. 1 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin H. Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I knew this would happen. It was freaking illegal by LAW to take away people their bought licenses, for not registering it by a certain date. Or to take away ''WUP'' when customers also bought extra licenses because of ''WUP''. And then introduce ''Subscription-Only'' and sell ''Perpetual licenses'' till the last date still without any warning. I have emailed Waves multiple times to let them know, i wanted a refund for all my bought products if this was really happening. I did not agree on ANY of this, on the dates when i bought their products. There was no warning or any notification. Luckely customers are protected by LAW for these cases/scams, when companies change agreements/policies afterhands. I know from my other topic that Fleer and i , and some others gave away some free licenses away on the forum. Well, i Hope someone has fun with it now 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Blanc Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I better get that Clarity plugin soon, before they turn subscription again. Sorry guys, I have a feeling this was Waves' plan all along. My bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Great to have perpetual licenses and WUP back. But in all honestly, I’ll be looking at UA native and other devs as my first option. Waves will have to earn my trust again. To the Waves Execs: There are things called surveys, polls and questionnaires. Use those next time. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yan Filiatrault Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 They should bring everyone's plugins version to 14 for free for this fiasco 3 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawajava Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Yan Filiatrault said: They should bring everyone's plugins version to 14 for free for this fiasco That’s a good idea. It would be a nice reconciliatory gesture if give their customers something to restore our trust and soothe our trauma. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnbogi Ragnar Ragnarsson Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I wondered why they didn't just introduce the subscriptions and just stop having sales. The standard prices are ridiculous anyway so it would seem like a less hostile way to push to subscription. Anyway, I only eyed Clarity VX as something I didn't have and was interested in. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleStudios Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I find it funny how companies come up with solutions to customers complaints. People didn't like the WUP policies, so instead Waves goes subscription ONLY. If financing updates to plugins was an issue for Waves, the solution to me seems to be, oh I don't know, charge more for your plugins and don't make people pay for OS updates/bug fixes. People definitely shouldn't be paying for bug fixes or OS updates. Granted there's no rule that states plugins must keep up with OS changes. It's probably in a developer's best interest to offer free OS updates. I think new features and optimizations, yes, they should be paid for. That also makes me question customer expectations. Is it fair to expect developers to maintain OS compatibility on plugins, let's say, that are 15 years old? My guess is the answer to that question would have something to do with the price of the plugin. They've devalued their own product line by always charging $29 for plugins. If a plugins original retail value is $199 and it's always on sale for $29, guess what? That is not a $199 plugin, it's a $29 plugin and there's going to be no convincing your customers otherwise. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, ArcRex said: I am sure they have done some permanent damage with the way cut to subscription only without any direct warning, but they will make some short term profits from guys like me. I will end up Wupping my oldest plugins in case they do something like this again. I will certainly be leery of future purchases with Waves. You completely nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Wait. WUP? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnbogi Ragnar Ragnarsson Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 46 minutes ago, LittleStudios said: I find it funny how companies come up with solutions to customers complaints. People didn't like the WUP policies, so instead Waves goes subscription ONLY. If financing updates to plugins was an issue for Waves, the solution to me seems to be, oh I don't know, charge more for your plugins and don't make people pay for OS updates/bug fixes. People definitely shouldn't be paying for bug fixes or OS updates. Granted there's no rule that states plugins must keep up with OS changes. It's probably in a developer's best interest to offer free OS updates. I think new features and optimizations, yes, they should be paid for. I think the main gripe with WUP was paying for getting next to nothing in new features. A few plugins were pimped up and some ancient plugins perhaps look better now on high dpi displays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
husker Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 The people I feel bad for now are the folks like Fleer and others who were just giving away serials not just a week ago. They are the ones who got screwed now.... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Iglesias Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Unsubscribe your emails, it has taken effect.? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I will continue to wean myself off Waves irrespective of this announcement. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott R. Garrigus Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 There's a group list of alternative plug-ins here for people who already began moving away from them... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1--yRZdWro_d28LmYNvaWsVct7CR6Y_KAULFU8wZ4SEI/edit#gid=0 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) About 11:30 this morning I got a call from Mark Brun of Sweetwater who gave me the new that Waves had reversed course, then I saw their announcement. I'm good with that but I did buy alternative to my 2 most used Waves PIs. I bought the Purified SLP 538 EQ to replace the SSL E Channel and the Brainworx BX Townhouse Bus Compressor to replace the Waves SSL Bus Comp. I got them both on special. For a short time after Mark told me the news, I though "I wish I would've known they were going to do this. I wouldn't bought those", but maybe it wasn't a bad decision after all. Like some of you are saying, maybe we should all be a bit leery of Wave after this move. At the very least, I don't think I will be buying anything more from them. I guess we're good for now but who knows what the future will bring. ?John B Edited March 29, 2023 by Johnbee58 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatstand Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I wonder whether any live shows were disrupted due to the waves plugs not being able to validate once they moved to subscription only... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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