PavlovsCat Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) Man, we go down some crazy rabbit holes. There's really not much of a comparison between news media subscriptions and the discussion of perpetual licenses vs paying a monthly or annual software subscription fee. The challenge that news publishers have is that display advertising doesn't generate sufficient revenue to sustain a writing and editorial staff, so payment from readers is required. It's been devastating on journalists. I've befriended a good deal of journalists, editors and a couple of former publishers and even had my own publication and I've witnessed up close how the changes in media consumption and fragmentation have impacted talented professionals. A lot of publications were free a decade or more that are now subscription because display advertising doesn't generate enough revenue to successfully operate a publication. But it's not very comparable to Waves because there's no payment whatsoever to these publications as an alternative to a subscription model. When you want to read journalism without paying for it, it's unlike the Waves situation, where consumers have always been willing to pay for perpetual licenses. What has happened in the US is that the quality of journalism available at no cost is all over the board and sometimes often comes from publishers with very strong political agendas who've created pseudo news publications with the intent of promoting their agenda. As someone who appreciates quality journalism, there are two excellent news agencies that provide a great deal of news stories at no cost -- and are regularly rated by top j-schools as two of the least politically biased news outlets, Associated Press (AP) and Reuters. I'd strongly recommend those two outlets to anyone in the US, but especially to those who can't afford or don't want to pay for news and also value good journalism. Edited April 17, 2023 by PavlovsCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Blanc Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 54 minutes ago, PavlovsCat said: Man, we go down some crazy rabbit holes. There's really not much of a comparison between news media subscriptions and the discussion of perpetual licenses vs paying a monthly or annual software subscription fee. I know, it was just the most funny juxtaposition I wanted to share and this seemed like the right topic. I get all my new from 9gag and Google ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 8 hours ago, Nick Blanc said: For just €10 a month, I will allow you to send me your half-***** content with a payment link for when I want te read further. That's a great idea!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 19 hours ago, Grem said: Come on man, there are more ways than one to make money and provide free services to attract users. Many places did it for a long time. In fact they were more than happy to do it just to get clicks. Somewhere down the line some decided " People will pay for this. We shouldn't provide this content for free!" I ain't one of them people. If the WSJ can't make enough to stay afloat off the clicks, they need to hang it up. This is the problem with all printed news media. One of the two in Chicago became non profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, PavlovsCat said: What has happened in the US is that the quality of journalism available at no cost is all over the board and sometimes often comes from publishers with very strong political agendas who've created pseudo news publications with the intent of promoting their agenda. As someone who appreciates quality journalism, there are two excellent news agencies that provide a great deal of news stories at no cost -- and are regularly rated by top j-schools as two of the least politically biased news outlets, Associated Press (AP) and Reuters. Continuing down the rabbit hole... AP & Reuters are on my regular news rotation (no cost) when I just want to know what's going on, and I don't care to have someone tell me what/how to think. I value quality journalism, so I also subscribe to the digital edition (online) of my local newspaper. Plus I can access it from an app on my mobile. Not cheap, but they dig into the news spectrum quite a bit (local, regional, national, global, & special topics) and they provide a lot of excellent local and regional coverage (the stuff that may actually affect me the most). I do miss the days when most of the big city newspapers could be read online for free, but those folks have to eat too, so I understand that good journalism is not free... Edited April 16, 2023 by abacab 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, abacab said: so I understand that good journalism is not free And so do I. But the cost of subs with a news outfit is not worth it to me. I can still get FREE local, national/world news over the airwaves. They make it work. So can an Internet news agency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 Still like to get my NYT everyday tho. Nothing beats paper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno de Souza Lino Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 1 hour ago, abacab said: I understand that good journalism is not free... Bad journalism is also not free. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubdisciple Posted April 16, 2023 Share Posted April 16, 2023 (edited) I got my plugins to work by following the advice posted, but I find myself hesitant to use them. Losing that weekend left me very unmotivated Edited April 16, 2023 by dubdisciple 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Bruno de Souza Lino said: Bad journalism is also not free. It's cheaper that good journalism!! LOL!! 1 hour ago, dubdisciple said: I got my plugins to work by following the advice posted Is somebody trying to get us back on topic!!!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, dubdisciple said: I got my plugins to work by following the advice posted, but I find myself hesitant to use them. Losing that weekend left me very unmotivated Funny you should mention that! I was just realizing yesterday that I had not opened up a single Waves plugin since getting them working again in the latest Waves Central! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 Waves Central always sounded a bit like prison to me. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Fleer said: Waves Central always sounded a bit like prison to me. Oh yeah!! We getting down to the deep stuff now!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zo Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Fleer said: Waves Central always sounded a bit like prison to me. You know that saying the truth can make you go to jail ( in the free world , land of democracy ) ... so say waves rock and move on please ... circulez monsieur ... ! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Blanc Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 7 hours ago, abacab said: Funny you should mention that! I was just realizing yesterday that I had not opened up a single Waves plugin since getting them working again in the latest Waves Central! For me it's the opposite. I haven't updated Waves Central (I even don't have it installed), but since this whole debacle I used more Waves plugins than in the months before. They entered my TOMA. ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zo Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Nick Blanc said: For me it's the opposite. I haven't updated Waves Central (I even don't have it installed), but since this whole debacle I used more Waves plugins than in the months before. They entered my TOMA. ? The love for risk .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zo Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 might be selling my mercury + classics +abbeyroad stuff if anybody interested hit me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted April 17, 2023 Share Posted April 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Zo said: might be selling my … abbeyroad stuff if anybody interested hit me I did the same, Zo, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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