Larry Shelby Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Best Service email states this: Bye Bye Waves! To our great regret, Waves announced that as of March 26th, perpetual licenses for single plug-ins and plug-in bundles will no longer be available (Live Applications excluded). We are clearing our license stock! 1 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fwrend Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) ..and if they do, what will happen to WUP? Will there be a deadline to WUP to the latest version before it goes away and your left with only a subscription option for updates? Edited March 21, 2023 by Fwrend 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Ah, so that announcement better explains the whole strange Waves announcement about serials from resellers no longer being accepted by Waves later this month. My guess is, if Waves moves exclusively to a subscription-only model that it likely won't do as well as they need it to do and will end up going back to offering a mixed model (subscription and perpetual licenses for individual plugins). However, the above announcement is another reason I don't feel very comfortable purchasing more Waves plugins. Especially when there are so many excellent developers that make similar plugins who have been selling them for similarly low prices to Waves always on sale prices. Except for the Abbey Road plugins, I really don't have Waves in my consideration set anymore and this announcement has stopped my desire to pick up more Abbey Road plugins. I was contemplating picking up the Abbey Road saturation plugin on the current sale, but not after this news. I empathize with developers desiring the kind of reliable recurring revenue that the subscription model provides. I think Waves WUP was already their twist on the subscription model -- trying to rope existing customers into paying recurring fees -- and for this hobbyist musician, it's just not for me. With Plugin Alliance, Softube, Izotope, Sonnible/Focusrite, AudioThing and a bunch of other high quality developers who have sales where their plugins are very affordable, there's really no need for me to turn to a subscription model. Thanks Waves, we had a nice run, but I've moved on. Edited March 21, 2023 by PavlovsCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Are the Waves Maker Access subscriptions new or has this been around for a while? [EDIT: I can see that it's at least been around since 2020.]https://www.waves.com/subscriptions Edited March 21, 2023 by PavlovsCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSteven Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Could be that as of March 26th that Waves will be the only source of perpetual licenses? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Shelby Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, TheSteven said: Could be that as of March 26th that Waves will be the only source of perpetual licenses? THAT would be a HUGE mistake on Waves part...but, then again, it's Waves 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexbeats Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) You can grab Waves licenses at lowest prices at bestervice https://www.bestservice.com/en/deals/waves_flashsale_lowest_prices_ever_4875.html Note, that all licenses must be registered with Waves no later than March 26th. Of course, all perpetual licenses registered this week and before, stay permanently valid. Edited March 21, 2023 by ProducerSpot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, cclarry said: THAT would be a HUGE mistake on Waves part...but, then again, it's Waves Unfortunately stuffed shirts make decisions by looking at a spread sheet. They are rarely users or knowledgeable of their products. This is nothing new under the sun. This also helps smaller developers gain more market if they avoid such nonsense. If the sub model becomes a norm there will also be those who go against it. I remember the iLok craze at the turn of the century which developers used to lock down their stuff. It didn't take IK long to ditch that. We fail to see that many developers have a sub model and it's been around for a long time. They don't throw it your face. Some may like a Waves sub since they have a zillion plugins and if the price is right. What worked for Adobe is the price of PhotoShop and Lightroom were affordable to the average consumer and more people like to edit photos than use DAWs. This is what the stuffed shirts don't get. The DAW market is far more competitive then it ever was. Plus DAW developers are also making top notch plugins that come in their DAWs. This will take the hobbyist out of the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Iglesias Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 We have to find out from Best Service that Waves is going to eliminate perpetual licenses, what a shame on the company. Surely they are going to go to subscription, but they will not see a penny more from me. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yan Filiatrault Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 On another forum, someone posted having called Waves and they told him they will sell perpetual plugins directly only. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1984 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I engaged Waves support in a chat session a half-hour ago and asked this question. He did ask what was my source of this and I provided a link to Best Service's newsletter I received (as most of you probably did.) He was unable to directly answer and pointed me to a link to ask Sales. I did, and I am waiting on an answer. I avoid subscription-only. I don't view WUP as subscription; I've had my bundle a year and a half past its upgrade expiration date -- the plugins are as useful to me today as when I purchased them. Interestingly enough, though, I'm about to upgrade my bundle which will add a few plugins, but extend WUP for the entire collection for an additional year at a price less than WUP upgrade alone. I am happy to pay that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, John1984 said: I engaged Waves support in a chat session a half-hour ago and asked this question. He did ask what was my source of this and I provided a link to Best Service's newsletter I received (as most of you probably did.) He was unable to directly answer and pointed me to a link to ask Sales. I did, and I am waiting on an answer. I avoid subscription-only. I don't view WUP as subscription; I've had my bundle a year and a half past its upgrade expiration date -- the plugins are as useful to me today as when I purchased them. Interestingly enough, though, I'm about to upgrade my bundle which will add a few plugins, but extend WUP for the entire collection for an additional year at a price less than WUP upgrade alone. I am happy to pay that. I guess a vendor gave out false info. Unfortunately I think some vendors will suffer whose main sales are Waves like EveryPlugin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawajava Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 I was able to get Mercury and actually all their bundles from EveryPlugin at an incredibly low price. I’m sure Waves will not have that steep level of discount available. It was a nice run with EveryPlugin’s support! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, lawajava said: was able to get Mercury and actually all their bundles from EveryPlugin at an incredibly low price. Me too. Sure was a nice run. Here we are complaining and moaning about a sub plan, but what if it is at good price? Hey I can dream if I wanna!! LOL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 14 minutes ago, Grem said: Here we are complaining and moaning about a sub plan, but what if it is at good price? But if it is exclusively a sub like Adobe has, without any perpetual licenses, you would lose the use of your software authorizations if you stop paying for the sub. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Shelby Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 If they are going "Sub" exclusively that is the final nail in their coffin 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, cclarry said: If they are going "Sub" exclusively that is the final nail in their coffin As kite said... 1 hour ago, kitekrazy said: This will take the hobbyist out of the picture. Is their pro market large enough to carry Waves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, abacab said: lose the use of your software authorizations if you stop paying for the sub. That's the deal breaker. 9 minutes ago, cclarry said: If they are going "Sub" exclusively that is the final nail in their coffin Yep. For me at least. 2 minutes ago, abacab said: pro market large enough to carry Waves? If it was, why did they invent the "$29 plugin?" My point being is, I don't think it is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Shelby Posted March 21, 2023 Author Share Posted March 21, 2023 Waves has stated that they are not doing away with Perpetual Licenses, just bringing them "in house" because they are going with a new company and new licensing system 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapu Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Right now I'm WUP'd through 25 Jan 2024. Gives me almost 10 months to decide what to do based on what the new "plan" is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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