Sonitus Missing

[BAKTRAK]

Hi Guys,

Long time since I've been here.............getting back into recording.

I have recently done a clean install of Cakewalk ,having been previously  just upgrading over the years since Bandlab acquired ownership.

This was because recently,there appeared to be glitches in the workings which I wont go into now.

However, after the clean install.....I find that whilst Sonitus FX are showing up(in name) in the FX Folders , they don't  appear in the plug in manager and when trying to utilize.....I get the following error (see attached)

I liked the simplicity of Sonitus and its sidechain capability 

I've probably 'turned a wrong corner' here.

32bit - 64Bit issue maybe

Any help/direction most appreciated

Cheers....Frank

 

[Salvatore Sorice]

See if this helps:

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/21834-how-to-get-all-vsts-running-on-new-pc/

If you install just Cakewalk By Bandlab you won't get some of the older stuff that came with previous versions of Cakewalk / Sonar.

[Salvatore Sorice]

50 minutes ago, Lord Tim said:

The Sonitus suite come bundled with Cakewalk so it's not a case of missing older SONAR plugins.

What OS are you running and is it 32bit or 64bit? Which version number of Cakewalk do you have installed? (You'll find that on Help > About)

It's possible there may have been something blocking your install somewhere if this is the most current version, possibly an over aggressive antivirus scanner.

I'd probably suggest a clean install would fix this, but let's get some more info first so we're not giving bad advice.

I'd go with Lord Tim's advice - he knows waaaay more about Cakewalk than I probably ever will....

[BAKTRAK]

OK Sal and Lord Tim

Thanks for the prompt response  

Below is the system I am dealing with. ...(BTW ....we used to.... in the old days... have some way of placing this reference  info at the bottom of one's post template)

Is that not possible now?

 

Edition    Windows 10 Home
Version    22H2
OS build    19045.2604
Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB [Hard drive] 
Processor    AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core Processor                 3.59 GHz
Installed RAM    32.0 GB
System type    64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Audio Interface: Scarlett 6i6(2nd Gen)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 [Display adapter]

Cakewalk By Bandlab Version: 2022.11 (Build 021,64Bit)

Antivirus: Windows Standard Security - (No 3rd Party Application) 

 

PS:I do have access to my Command Center Downloads still.

cheers........Frank ?

[Salvatore Sorice]

Baktrak, did you do a minimal install of your older Cakewalk/Sonar versions first (per that link I posted) and then install Cakewalk by Bandlab last?

[John Vere]

The Sonitus suite is still included with Cakewalk. It defiantly gets installed with out issues. I know this for a fact becuase last summer I installed Cakewalk on a Laptop that has none of my old Sonar stuff installed. I have 100's of project that use the EQ, delay and Multi band. 

 But it's days might be numbered as it is DX format and old code that hasn't been updated for a very long time. People are reporting minor issues already. Like TTS-1 is defiantly fading fast. They are great plug ins but your time might be better spent trying  some others.  I myself have started to replace them with other VST's to avoid future issues. It is predicted it will be a Windows update that will kill them for us. 

There's lots of great free Compressors I just did a huge project testing over 80 of them. Here's the link to the You Tube. https://youtu.be/PLBxSGozIwo

 

[abacab]

39 minutes ago, Lord Tim said:

there are some excellent third party products that have a lot more modern features, many are free too.

Just for starters...

https://kilohearts.com/products/kilohearts_essentials

https://www.meldaproduction.com/MFreeFXBundle

[Salvatore Sorice]

I really like the Sonitus stuff and hope the Bakers can keep the really good ones, um , baked in...

[BAKTRAK]

Thanks Again, to all, for the valuable input,

This is a summary of what I have since attempted at least twice and the results.

1. For a second time, cleaned out my PC of all traces of Cakewalk , including Registry deletes per advisory : https://help.cakewalk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360034066393-Clean-Install-Cakewalk-by-BandLab

2.I then attempted a Clean Install of Sonar Platinum ['Install All'] from Cakewalk Command Center. Install seemed to get all the way to the end when it suddenly failed with the attached Error message displayed. I was forced to Abort the intall.  Tried this method twice...same result.

3. Decided to log in to my Account Portal and manually install same. 64 Bit install failed with similar message. NB: 32 Bit Sonar Platinum installed successfully including a functioning  Sonitus Suite of apps. This 32Bit version does not recognize most of the Cakewalk Plugins which I installed later.

4. Whilst I felt it unlikely, decided then to install CbB  to  see whether Sonitus was now on its radar.......but after program scanning ...no..............the problem remained.

I don't want to keep banging on  (and banging my head)about this situation. Maybe it is time to move on... as has been suggested.

Just thought I would update you all on my findings for reference. 

Its all just gettin a bit hard

Thanks for your help guys....time for some new compressors I think.

cheers...Frank

 

[abacab]

I believe that you need to be running the install as administrator in order for the registry updates to be allowed.

[Salvatore Sorice]

Baktrak, a few things come to mind. When you did the clean install (as administrator), did you have any devices attached (Scarlett, etc.)? If so I'd try install with only keyboard/mouse attached.

If still failing it's highly unlikely, but possible, that you have a faulty memory stick. I only say this because it happened to me. Can't remember the exact error I was getting but I ended up running a full memory diagnostic (not the Windows one - I used Memtest86 - free version, which boots from USB). Ended having to warranty replace a memory module.

Another possibility:

https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2016000033/Unable-to-register-the-DLL-OCX-RegSvr32-failed-with-exit-code-0x3

[John Vere]

As I said it’s the fact that they are not VST which is a supported format. The are based on old unsupported code.  
We were told that the Cakewalk team has no plans to update them to VST 3 as this is not possible. They are not in the plug in developing business. That’s well covered by plenty. 

They will  break someday. Even VST 2 is going to fade away as it has reached the end of development. Using DX is like staying with Windows 98 coding.
Use at your own risk.  
I personally love what they do and some like the multi band compressors and the delay I have not yet found exactly what I want to replace them. It would cost me money I guess. 

The free Melda compressor is a perfect replacement for the Sonitus. And I have the LP multi band free from Splat days. But it’s a latency nightmare compared to the Sonitus 

 

[msmcleod]

6 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

The point I was getting at was, aside from the DX vs VST thing is that components are going to need to be registered along the line, regardless if it's it plugin or not. If this is failing, for whatever reason, there's nothing stopping something else that's crucial not getting properly registered in an instrument, or part of an application or anything that will make it eventually break.

This stuff should just simply install, like it does for pretty much everyone else on the forum. That fact that it doesn't is a real red flag to me.

What can cause issues is installing older software that forces an install of earlier versions of the Visual C++ runtime libraries.  It amazes me that some software vendors are still releasing software and distributing VC++ runtimes as far back as 2013.  Installing these earlier versions can upset more recent versions.

The first thing I do whenever I get an mfc related error that I wasn't getting before is re-install the latest VC++ runtimes.  9/10 this fixes the issue.

[Salvatore Sorice]

10 hours ago, Sal Sorice said:

Baktrak, a few things come to mind. When you did the clean install (as administrator), did you have any devices attached (Scarlett, etc.)? If so I'd try install with only keyboard/mouse attached.

If still failing it's highly unlikely, but possible, that you have a faulty memory stick. I only say this because it happened to me. Can't remember the exact error I was getting but I ended up running a full memory diagnostic (not the Windows one - I used Memtest86 - free version, which boots from USB). Ended having to warranty replace a memory module.

Another possibility:

https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2016000033/Unable-to-register-the-DLL-OCX-RegSvr32-failed-with-exit-code-0x3

I agree with what msmcleod says below - and I mentioned above - it may very well be the VC++ runtimes causing the issue:
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2016000033/Unable-to-register-the-DLL-OCX-RegSvr32-failed-with-exit-code-0x3

The faulty memory module is a (remote) possibility, but worth checking if the VC++ fix does not work.

31 minutes ago, msmcleod said:

What can cause issues is installing older software that forces an install of earlier versions of the Visual C++ runtime libraries.  It amazes me that some software vendors are still releasing software and distributing VC++ runtimes as far back as 2013.  Installing these earlier versions can upset more recent versions.

The first thing I do whenever I get an mfc related error that I wasn't getting before is re-install the latest VC++ runtimes.  9/10 this fixes the issue.

 

[KellsBells2400]

This is now happening to me too. As of yesterday directly after I updated my FocusRite ASIO driver. I installed FocusRite ASIO control and now my ProChannel and Sonitus won't load in Cakewalk.  

[KellsBells2400]

Update: I reinstalled the VC++ redistributable and it fixed the issue. I downloaded the current and the 2013 for both x64 and x86 from here: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/windows/latest-supported-vc-redist?view=msvc-170

Thanks everyone for helping.

[BAKTRAK]

Thanks msmcleod and KellsBells2400

Good work 

Your suggested action has done the trick.

Not only has the Sonitus suite reactivated in CbB  but several other plugins which were giving me grief ( including XPand) and  are now toeing the line. Pro Channel was also missing and has now returned. Those erratically behaving plugins (now fixed) were the reason I resorted to the initial clean reinstall.

I only know enough computer language to be dangerous but this now appears to be an issue cased by Microsoft updates.

Some vital piece of computer programming was missing/purposely removed .....Is that correct?

If so, is it likely other CbB users might also start being affected.
This solution link https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/windows/latest-supported-vc-redist?view=msvc-170  will be very handy now I imagine.

Big thanks to everyone for your contributions to this issue.

Cheers.......Frank

[Glenn Stanton]

yeah, the first thing i do after a new update in CW or any major OS related bits - re-run the redistributables ? i've found this means i'm skipping all the troubleshooting to solve weird agonizing mysterious issues, but i just don't have time for it ? 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Glenn Stanton

[JnTuneTech]

This is a thread that indeed may prove as something that needs to be added to the setup instructions/info for users combining their older SPLAT components with the current Cakewalk suite going forwards. The install order, and versions of the MS VC++ redistributables is a known and constantly changing struggle with PCs. -Seeing that both BAKTRAK and KellsBells2400 seem to have had this happen at nearly the same time is troubling.

The recent MS Win Updates cycle ended almost a month ago (2ond Tues. of each month), so maybe these things are already happening and haven't been affecting too many users, but if it's a variety of audio software users getting affected, likely more of this will show up here. Good to have the links also to documentation & installers for the fix, -I know I will keep this thread handy for the next time I do a migration or re-install of my Sonar/CbB setup! -Thanks All!!

[abacab]

I don't believe that the MS VC++ redistributables are generally issued during monthly MS Windows update cycles.

More likely a 3rd party installer is responsible. From a developer's perspective, the point of a redistributable is to make sure that the client has the MS VC++runtime components installed to support the application that the developer is installing on your machine (to satisfy dependencies).

IMO it would be best if MS was the only one installing these things, but it is what it is.  https://helpdeskgeek.com/help-desk/what-is-microsoft-visual-c-redistributable-do-you-need-so-many/