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Holy Wars...The Punishment Due

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You did this in CbB???? It sounds good regardless of what DAW you did it in. Interesting to hear a singer sing this in "full voice" instead of the falsetto Dave Mustaine uses, and the bass player being a finger player instead of a pick like Dave(which was pretty cool).

Musicianship is top notch, and it stays true to the original!

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10 minutes ago, hockeyjx said:

You did this in CbB???? It sounds good regardless of what DAW you did it in. Interesting to hear a singer sing this in "full voice" instead of the falsetto Dave Mustaine uses, and the bass player being a finger player instead of a pick like Dave(which was pretty cool).

Musicianship is top notch, and it stays true to the original!

You mean which DAW I used ? I make all my audio productions entirely in bandlab cakewalk. And video in Davinci Resolve. 

And thank you so much for your kind words, really nice to read it. We all love this song and gave the best we could.   

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16 hours ago, Lord Tim said:

Nice work - this is not an easy song! I've been lucky enough to see the guys play this up close on tour and we've covered it ourselves over the years, and doing it even justice is a good effort! :) 

Indeed! not an easy one! I didn`t even dare to try to play this on guitar haha. I preffered to go on youtube and look for people who could do it properly, and then I found Shawn McNair and Mark Grocki who are excellent guitar players, and then Jim Ramses for bass. 

 So I sang and mixed this one, and mixing was a challenge, because there is so much going on this song.

Thank you for watching and commenting. I`m so glad people appreciate it. 

 

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10 hours ago, Bajan Blue said:

Hi Ron

Excellent cover - first class musicianship and I like your vocals on this - mix sounds great

Cool stuff

Nigel

 

Thank you so much Nigel. Positive feedback from you is always a great compliment because you produce very good quality stuff. 

Thank you so much for checking out my videos.  

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pretty cool cover man!

lovingly done, with super aggressive tones that don't get out of hand.

i think dave would be pleased.

and he's NEVER pleased!!

LOL

question about the mastering...

i notice in the NERD stats...it looks like the audio was barely normalized...

with the volume up all the way on the utoob player,

its sounds best, and is much quieter than any other vids i'm watching at the same time,

what was your mastering target?

 

 

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On 12/10/2022 at 9:43 PM, bdickens said:

Oh damn!

If that damn is something positive, I thank you haha

On 12/13/2022 at 10:41 PM, Andrew Rhodes said:

Woah! Sounds so good! Amazing musicians. Would not be out of place on a quality album. 

Thank you so much Andrew!

On 12/14/2022 at 7:18 AM, AndyB01 said:

I wouldn't describe myself as a Megadeth fan but this was an incredible cover - some truly awesome chops on show all round.

Great job

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Andy

Thanks Andy!

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9 hours ago, batsbrew said:

pretty cool cover man!

lovingly done, with super aggressive tones that don't get out of hand.

i think dave would be pleased.

and he's NEVER pleased!!

LOL

question about the mastering...

i notice in the NERD stats...it looks like the audio was barely normalized...

with the volume up all the way on the utoob player,

its sounds best, and is much quieter than any other vids i'm watching at the same time,

what was your mastering target?

 

 

Thank you so much Batsbrew! Good question! I wanna ask you the same question by the way regards that. The requirements you have in mind when uploading to youtube. 
I never really know the maximum volume that Youtube will accept without turning the volume down by itself. And also not sure if youtube only turns the volume down or add some kind of compressing or limiter that could maybe squeeze the sound if the volume is above youtube's requirement. 

So to keep it safe, I avoided making it the loudest volume possible. That's why it probably sounds a bit quieter than usual.
I just wanted to make sure youtube won't change my mix in anyway when I upload it, in case it does it all. Would be glad to hear your opinion about this.

In the mastering, it was done very little. I just added an EQ to increase a bit the mids, adjusted to a volume that felt safe and that's it.

 The limiter is very very soft. Because it sounded good to my ears the way it is right out of the mix. 

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13 hours ago, Ron_Pko said:

Thank you so much Batsbrew! Good question! I wanna ask you the same question by the way regards that. The requirements you have in mind when uploading to youtube. 
I never really know the maximum volume that Youtube will accept without turning the volume down by itself. And also not sure if youtube only turns the volume down or add some kind of compressing or limiter that could maybe squeeze the sound if the volume is above youtube's requirement. 

So to keep it safe, I avoided making it the loudest volume possible. That's why it probably sounds a bit quieter than usual.
I just wanted to make sure youtube won't change my mix in anyway when I upload it, in case it does it all. Would be glad to hear your opinion about this.

In the mastering, it was done very little. I just added an EQ to increase a bit the mids, adjusted to a volume that felt safe and that's it.

 The limiter is very very soft. Because it sounded good to my ears the way it is right out of the mix. 

thanks so much for the response ron...

you're stuff sounds so good, at the lower volume. i don't mind moving a volume fader! usually, i'm turning stuff down!

utoob is a bit confusing...

all over the web, folks talk about LUFS targets, that this is what utoob (and other streamers and congregators) use as 'target' levels for streaming...

 

and as a matter of fact, all the free streamers sound like crap to me!! the HD settings on utoob sound about the best of all.

so when i upload files to utoob, i always use 24 bit 48k.

 

now, when mastering, i typically split the difference between cd release levels (OMG, the pros are hitting a DR of 5 with true peak overs all over the place, and nobody seems to care!) and usually i mix at K18, which means, usually, i have peaks at about -4db (headroom for mastering) and rms levels of about -18.

then, mastering, i try to goose the levels up to about -0.8 true peak, and rms of about -10.

but i always feel that it sounds 'congested' compared to my pure mix.

so i've tried to develop techniques to gently push the RMS and LUFS up, using a bit of eq, a bit of SSL compression at 2:1 and maybe 2db of reduction and makeup, and a limiter to catch only about -1bd peaks, then another multiband limiter (i use Waves L3) to finish, and between all that, i can get to about -10 or -11 LUFS without it getting ridiculous...

but your tune here, which feels/sounds like it's closer to the UTOOB target of no louder than 0DB at -14 LUFS...

and tho it's lower in volume, compared to other hard rock streamings, it SOUNDS better to me ears.

so, i'm thinking about backing off trying to push LOUD mastered 2-track files, and bring it back closer to what my actual mixes are.

 

ok, not trying to derail this thread...

but this is relevent to your post, and i'm being influenced by it. LOL

so, latest megadeth on utoob:

Killing Time: Chapter V (which is a cool tune) at 1080p:

(if you right click on the screen to get to the "stats for nerds", this is what utoob is doing to the file with the volume at 100%)

Volume / Normalized  100% / 83% (content loudness 1.7dB)

 

your file:  at 1080p  (apples and apples)

Volume / Normalized  100% / 100% (content loudness -1.5dB)

 

the way i read this difference, is that the megadeth tune is being reduced by 83%, and they are 1.7db louder than -14. 

which would mean, they uploaded their file a bit hotter than -14, at @12.3.

yours is -1.5 below the target, meaning maybe your file is at 15.5 rms? (just a guess)

theoretically, you could push your master up another 1.5db, and still just hit the target.

but targets aren't really imporant, i dont think, it's how the mastering changes the dynamics.

now a lot of modern rock are not relying on 'dynamics' for the excitement, they're using 'arrangements', meaning, lots of track movement, tracks in and out, left and right, etc.

 

and all of this seems to back up exactly what you said you did, very light mastering, to leave it as close to the original sound of the mix as possible.

 

no doubt, pro masterers could get your levels up to pro release level without ruining your mix...

but i can't!!

LOL,

and i've spent years trying to figure out where the best 'compromise' is between loud masters that compete with pro, but don't ruin my own mixes.

 

for cd's, you gotta go loud, for folks that rip singles and throw them into 'mix tapes'....

but other than that, i'm starting to back off my levels, and keep them closer to my original mixes, because i'm not skilled enough to get mega level that doesn't ruin dynamics and fatigues my ears.

 

now, in theory, my guess is  your mix is around k18 (just guessing) and if that's the case, you could take whatever headroom you have (say, your peaks are at -3db), and you could NORMALIZE your final MIX, and simply take it up another 2db (leave a true peak of -1db for all streaming) without changing anything. (yes, there are arguments to this, not going there)

and that's before mastering. so you'd be at -16db LUFS/rms. just 2db off the utoob target upload levels.

then you could squeeze another 2 db at least with very light limiting. that much would almost not be apparent, but would raise your rms levels.

now, you would be at approx -14db LUFS, and utoob would not be fukin with your file at all.

does that make sense?

 

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