Is Cakewalk gaining users/popularity with Bandlab?

[Craig Anderton]

2 hours ago, ChernobylStudios said:

Everybody knows X1 was a bug filled mess and it was the beginning of the end. 

X1 was released too early IMHO. Eventually it got sorted out, but you have only one chance to make a first impression

I think the current trajectory of concentrating on stability is a smart move. I hope they tackle Rapture Pro next.

[ChernobylStudios]

1 hour ago, InstrEd said:

and yet you are still here ?    ?

So edgy.

I'm making videos on my YouTube channel for people who have been requesting that I do so since the day Bandlab took over. I bring actual content and value. That content and value also comes with criticism. I'll be happy when I don't have to suffer moronic comments such as yours when my tutorials are finished.

 

 

[InstrEd]

sorry I was just fooling around. I commented and thanked you for making the videos ??????? 

[Larry Jones]

On 4/2/2019 at 5:20 AM, Noel Borthwick said:

Did you miss the export to BandLab feature? Its been there for several months now 

 

Sorry, Noel. I have tried the Export to Bandlab feature, but a.) You can't export much to Bandlab; b.) We have always been able to export the tracks and stems we want to export and share them in various ways; and c.) When I tried to export five buses to Bandlab, the only thing that made it was the project title. All the data got lost in the endless loop of "still processing." I'm sure you'll get this working, but it doesn't seem like it's something I will ever need. Since the big DAW is available at no charge, it seems to me more likely that I'll just talk potential collaborators into downloading and installing it, and send them my tracks via Dropbox.

Please show me why it would be better to go through Bandlab. I really do want to know.

[Kurre]

I get these terrible vibes that CbB developers got writers block.

Hope they find better sources to lend their ears to.

I also hope everybody have think things over and understand that to gain users, that's gonna stay, you have to do CbB more userfriendly.

Lazyness is a global personality thing. Make things easier to do and to understand.

Keeping track of hundreds of shortcut keys or use, maybe 30 sticky notes, to remember workarounds is not things lazy people do.

PS. You see, i have used CbB since start and like the free ride because i have extremely low income but...

Even if it's free i keep getting annoyed on things like why it's working in,for me,  a non logic way or missing logical bits to accomplish something.

So i'm glancing at Reaper and Mulab. But i probably should thanks for forcing me to learn a proper daw.

DS. Thanks.

[abacab]

Yes, definitely Reaper. Because it's so logical and intuitive!

[Kurre]

10 minutes ago, abacab said:

Yes, definitely Reaper. Because it's so logical and intuitive!

What i know is only what i read about it and the fact that when i had problems with vst in CbB it worked ok in R.

It seems you have to spend some hours to get to grips and set the settings to your liking and then it should be logical.

To start up a vst and play it/them was easy and logical and it was the first time i opened R.

You know "glancing" mean that it's still in the theoretical phase.

On the downside is that, so far, i can't find a step sequenser in R.

[abacab]

I keep Reaper around, but the only use for me so far is for testing VST plugins that I may have a problem with elsewhere. The best feature of Reaper, IMHO, is the single track type and flexible routing. Once you figure the routing out, that is a valuable tool. No separate MIDI tracks, audio tracks, synth tracks, etc. to deal with. Most other DAWs force you to select a track type to work with, and then there are explicit things you either can or cannot do with a certain track type. But the rest of the workflow in Reaper is a PITA for me.

I have found that all DAWs I have tried have certain apparent illogical idiosyncrasies and gotchas to be learned. As with any other, start with the manual and some videos.

I have been using Cakewalk longer than any others, so it is the easiest for me to use. It's not the only one I have, just the most comfortable to grab and go with. I have been "glancing" at other DAWs for years, and even invested in a couple of them during the great "Gibson shutdown".

And Cakewalk does have a step sequencer!

 

Edited April 11, 2019 by abacab

[mdiemer]

Cakewalk is far easier to use than Reaper. If you think CbB is esoteric and difficult to use, don't even think about Reaper.

As for lazy people: they never get anywhere. Any significant accomplishment requires significant learning and effort. 

[Kurre]

2 hours ago, mdiemer said:

...As for lazy people: they never get anywhere. Any significant accomplishment requires significant learning and effort. 

Great! If you are  not lazy i count on you to support me in demanding a lot of changes in CbB.

[mdiemer]

Well, considering the software is free, I don't think it's cool to demand anything of Cakewalk/Bandlab. We should be thanking them every day for it. But it's fine to ask for things, and give them feedback.

 It works fine for me, not perfectly, but then it wasn't designed with me, specifically,  in mind. If you take the time to learn how to use it (yes, it does take time and a lot of hard work),  it will work fine for you too.

Edited April 11, 2019 by mdiemer

[abacab]

3 hours ago, mdiemer said:

Well, considering the software is free, I don't think it's cool to demand anything of Cakewalk/Bandlab. We should be thanking them every day for it. But it's fine to ask for things, and give them feedback.

+1 for this ^^^

Make suggestions, but please don't make demands of a free gift!!!

[Kurre]

Ok. The post indirectly pointed to be a person that is not lazy and smarter than others.

My responding post was a waste of time. It went miles over your head.

I'm sorry.

[Feral State Sound]

19 hours ago, mdiemer said:

Cakewalk is far easier to use than Reaper. If you think CbB is esoteric and difficult to use, don't even think about Reaper.

As for lazy people: they never get anywhere. Any significant accomplishment requires significant learning and effort. 

I agree with you, the Skylight interface is one of the best UI of all DAW. But it is true that the developers should consider selecting the BASIC lense as default for newcomers. REAPER has excellent performance when using VST plugins and is less-bloated than Cakewalk by default, but it is only a matter of time that you start adding custom actions, new toolbars, shortcuts, scripts, skins and such.... 

Edited April 12, 2019 by Feral State Sound

[synkrotron]

I'm still using REAPER out of the box... Works fine for what I need...

[abacab]

1 hour ago, Feral State Sound said:

REAPER has excellent performance when using VST plugins and is less-bloated than Cakewalk by default, but it is only a matter of time that you start adding custom actions, new toolbars, shortcuts, scripts, skins and such.... 

I only brought Reaper up because I saw ironic humor in an earlier post that perhaps implied that Reaper might be easier to learn than Cakewalk.  But I am sure there are many folks happily using either one!

[Stephen Ajewole]

Hmmm... I think once that true sounds studios guy finishes his new studio and starts making tutorials alot of people will watch  and as a result his channel might gain some traction! 

I think the  key to a good daws success is to make it a good all rounder for all kinds of music producers. Like logic pro is very versatile when it comes to it. Has professional recording artists to electronic music producers using it! ?

Edited April 13, 2019 by Stephen Ajewole

[chuckebaby]

7 hours ago, pwalpwal said:

f a m i l i a r i t y always gets a one-up

cant say I disagree with that ^

[msmcleod]

1 hour ago, Stephen Ajewole said:

Hmmm... I think once that true sounds studios guy finishes his new studio and starts making tutorials alot of people will watch  and as a result his channel might gain some traction! 

I think the  key to a good saws success is to make it a good all rounder for all kinds of music producers. Like logic pro is very versatile when it comes it. Has professional recording artists to electronic music producers using it! ?

But in the meantime, the videos on his studio build are a great watch

[Some Guy]

On 4/2/2019 at 5:59 PM, Feral State Sound said:

I am not sure if it was because being Windows only since Vegas Pro is hugely popular despite not being cross-platform (The same applies to Logic Pro and Final Cut). In my opinion, The Bandlab move is extremely clever, because they just converted a losing ground DAW into a no brainer DAW for Windows users (cost-functionality wise). Here you can see the number of times that people have shown some interest on Cakewalk during the last two years: the first remarkable point is coincident with the Cakewalk closure, the second is coincident with the Bandlab resurrection and the program going free and the third is maybe mainly because of the Bandlab NAMM presence. 

https://trends.google.es/trends/explore?date=2017-01-01 2019-04-02&q=Cakewalk 

It is not crazy to think on a new big press announcement from Bandlab during this year, specially since they already own the Music-Tech magazine. In my opinion, Cakewalk future looks promising and probably more than ever.

Vegas Pro is a relic, and is not that popular. Premiere Pro basically dominates the lower end on Windows, with Resolve making some waves. The only reason you hear about VEGAS Pro, these days, is cause MAGIX has been putting it on Humble Bundle for $25 for the last couple of years.

Yes, (basically) free stuff trends. News at 11...

That NLE just isn't that good, and it has barely been developed the past decade. Supposedly a huge revamp is on the way this year... But serious editors do not use VEGAS Pro. It's a workflow nightmare.I

Final Cut Pro X can get away with this due to the way Apple's user base operates, and the fact that it's a much better product than Vegas. Did they ported to Windows, they'd probably sell a million copies within weeks. I

Much better analogues would be Samplitude and Logic Pro X. It doesn't take a genius to see that Logic is far more popukar, and used more by industry professionals than Samplitude. 

I won't even start on ACID Pro... ...

The only product from Sony that had decent market penetration was Sound Forge, because wave editors have far less competition and the only thing better than it comes from Steinberg, requires a dongke, and costs almost twice as much. It's Windows only, but it's legit... VEGAS is ... Not.

Base example, IMO.

Cakewalkl's trend comes from it being free. Nothing more. There was a lot of YouTube videos being made when the acquisition happened.  Pros are not gravitating to it. It's been practically replaced in mindshare by Studio One, and Reaper fanatics are very pushy about making sure that DAW is a part of every conversation... 

I complained multiple times about the bad BandLab site maintenance. No use uploading there, when you're being buried in the Classical Music category by tons of Rap, Rock, and R&B - intentionally mislabeled by people to exploit the system and force people to see their content in more niche categories on the site.   It's like the Wild, Wild West.

That site is worthless to me. Better off using Behance or Avid Link...

Lastly, GarageBand is a problem on macOS. It's a bigger deal for its market than iMovie is for the video editing market, as it is far more usable for projects beyond the trivial. It ships with a lot of instruments and tons of loops - it's 100% usable out of the box, unlike Cakewalk by BandLab. There is no reason for any lower end of beginner music maker to even consider anything else, and the natural progression from it is to Logic Pro X.   You boot up your iMac or MacBook, and GarageBand is there for the taking.

There's a reason why, despite Macs being popular with creatives, that platform actually has a ton less options for creative software compared to Windows - especially once you move below the big industry players.  Only recently are things starting to level off a bit (Affinity, HitFilm, etc.). Microsoft has never provided out-of-the-box options with the type of viability than Apple does, so it naturally became a  more competitive market for "alternative" software.  

The people buying Pro software have typically made their mind up, or are purchasing based on industry/market requirements. Cakewalk is not going to factor much into that.   It is not a big industry player, so it won't have much market share anywhere when you talk to people who do serious work with their DAW.

Being a long time user who prefers something is good for you, but really means nothing at all to someone just entering this market.   If the majority of people in a certain market use a certain other DAW, chances are people will naturally gravitate to that DAW - for some obvious and very important reasons (interoperability/collaboration, training and being able to tap into an existing knowledge base, etc.).

People are too religious about software, these days.  I rather just go with the flow than deal with the debates that pop up about it - which don't help me get better at making music.  They just annoy me.

Edited April 13, 2019 by SomeGuy