Moving Pasted Midi Clips Volume Issue

[Ewan]

Hi there,

I've been having an issue that whenever I move a midi clip that I have copied and pasted, the volume is drastically reduced after I drag it to a new position.  This lower volume then applies to the instrument across the whole project and I can only get the original volume (and its automation) back after closing and reopening Cakewalk.

I saved a test version having done this, to see if the volume is still reduced after restarting Cakewalk and it is.  Does anyone know how to fix this?

Thank you for reading!

[Promidi]

Before doing the actual paste, check the destination MIDI track for any CC events that could be affecting volume that might be present before where you intend pasting the clip.

Most synths and VSTi plugins use CC7 or CC11 to control volume so look for these to start with.  The PRV in single controller mode would be the best way to check this.

[Ewan]

Thank you for your advice.  I've had a look to see if any events are present and, although I have done some automation in the clip I'm adding the pasted one to, there are nodes at the end, ending any automation.  When I check the midi track, before pasting,  there doesn't seem to be any CC event activity.  When I drag the pasted clip into its new position, a new sub-track appears under the midi track titled "A1".  As soon as this appears, the volume for the whole midi track goes down.  I've tried removing it and it doesn't change anything.

I've found that when I copy a clip from another project, and paste it into a new one, the automation is in tact and the the problem with the volume doesn't happen.  In this instance, the A1 sub-track doesn't appear when I re-position the clip.  Instead a new full midi track, with the automation lines, appears at the bottom of my clips, titled "Track 5" (or whatever number is next).  That's only difference I can see between it working fine and not.  Sorry for the long-winded explanation - I'm confusing myself now!

[Promidi]

Exactly what automation is preset in the destination track and what parameter is it controlling?. 

You state that "although I have done some automation in the clip I'm adding the pasted one to, there are nodes at the end, ending any automation."

Even if the automation ends before where you paste the clip, your track still still be in whatever state the automation is controlling before the pasted clip.

Say the automation is controlling volume, and the automation ends with the volume at say 50%, that is what the volume will be when your pasted clip starts.  You will have to add an automation node the raise the volume at the point where you have pasted the clip.

[Ewan]

Thank you for the suggestions. I've had a look and although I've reset the automation, it keeps happening unfortunately. 

As a work around, I now just edit by bouncing to clips and moving everything in the piano roll.

 

[Promidi]

Does it still happen if you solo the track that you are pasting to.....

[Ewan]

Yeah, it still happened.  The Automation sub-track appears below the track I've pasted to and the volume drops for the rest of the time I'm using the track. I tried saving a test version (to see what would happen) and when I reopened it, the track is still reduced in volume.  Luckily it wasn't the actual project!