Phoen1xPJ Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 I am beginning to sketch out ideas for a new DAW for CbB. Looking over CPU's I can't afford an i9. i7 Kaby Lake looks in my range... thoughts?
synkrotron Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) I'm posing a similar question in the Coffee House, I've just posted a spec there. Not sure if it's a Kaby Lake CPU though... Edited February 7, 2019 by synkrotron
synkrotron Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 No, the motherboard I am looking at only supports "Coffee Lake..." Is that bad?
Some Guy Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 i7 Kaby Lake is fine. Coffee Lake is after (newer than) Kaby Lake. Obviously how you use the software (project size, types and numbers of plugins/instruments, etc.) has a huge impact on what you choose to run it on.
synkrotron Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 Aye, I googled it and now I'm a little wiser... Been in a bit of a cave for the last five years with not needing to spec a DAW up. That, now, appears to have changed and I'm looking again
bvideo Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 @Phoen1xPJ: PCI for your Layla may be getting harder to find on a MB.
Phoen1xPJ Posted February 7, 2019 Author Posted February 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, bvideo said: @Phoen1xPJ: PCI for your Layla may be getting harder to find on a MB. Not so hard! https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813145065
Jim Roseberry Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) FWIW, That's a bridged PCI slot. Echo PCI audio interfaces are notorious for *not* working in bridged PCI slots. In fact, we've never seen an Echo card work in any motherboard with bridged PCI slots. There are folks here successfully using an outboard PCIe to PCI adapter with the Echo cards. IMO, The OP would be much better off getting a quality Z370/Z390 motherboard (Coffee Lake CPU)... and getting the outboard PCIe to PCI adapter that's known to work. Edited February 7, 2019 by Jim Roseberry
Phoen1xPJ Posted February 7, 2019 Author Posted February 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Jim Roseberry said: FWIW, That's a bridged PCI slot. Echo PCI audio interfaces are notorious for *not* working in bridged PCI slots. In fact, we've never seen an Echo card work in any motherboard with bridged PCI slots. There are folks here successfully using an outboard PCIe to PCI adapter with the Echo cards. IMO, The OP would be much better off getting a quality Z370/Z390 motherboard (Coffee Lake CPU)... and getting the outboard PCIe to PCI adapter that's known to work. Jim, my current mobo has a bridged PCI and it works smooth as silk, no glitches at all!
Jim Roseberry Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, Phoen1xPJ said: Jim, my current mobo has a bridged PCI and it works smooth as silk, no glitches at all! If you're running a B75 chipset motherboard, it has native PCI (not bridged). The Echo cards don't cope well with bridged PCI slots.
Phoen1xPJ Posted February 7, 2019 Author Posted February 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Jim Roseberry said: If you're running a B75 chipset motherboard, it has native PCI (not bridged). The Echo cards don't cope well with bridged PCI slots. Well, listed in Device Manager / System Devices is PCI to PCI Bridge. What is that?
Phoen1xPJ Posted February 7, 2019 Author Posted February 7, 2019 Jim, how 'bout this? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813119085
msmcleod Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 27 minutes ago, Jim Roseberry said: If you're running a B75 chipset motherboard, it has native PCI (not bridged). The Echo cards don't cope well with bridged PCI slots. I'm running the B75 chipset (Asus P8B75-V) for exactly the same reason. Not only is it a native PCI, but it also supports all the voltages. It's one of the few motherboards that still supports the Yamaha DS2416 cards.
Jim Roseberry Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Phoen1xPJ said: Jim, how 'bout this? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813119085 Bridged PCI slots... To my knowledge, no current generation motherboard has native PCI slots. The OP's best course of action is to get a quality Z370/Z390 motherboard... and use the outboard PCIe to PCI adapter that several here have working with Echo cards. It's a zero risk choice. FWIW, You really don't want to let 15 year old hardware determine motherboard choice. Edited February 7, 2019 by Jim Roseberry
Jim Roseberry Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Phoen1xPJ said: Well, listed in Device Manager / System Devices is PCI to PCI Bridge. What is that? Read section 6.5 http://tldp.org/LDP/tlk/dd/pci.html 1
synkrotron Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 I've googled "bridged PCI slot" and I am none the wiser
Phoen1xPJ Posted February 7, 2019 Author Posted February 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Jim Roseberry said: FWIW, That's a bridged PCI slot. Echo PCI audio interfaces are notorious for *not* working in bridged PCI slots. In fact, we've never seen an Echo card work in any motherboard with bridged PCI slots. There are folks here successfully using an outboard PCIe to PCI adapter with the Echo cards. IMO, The OP would be much better off getting a quality Z370/Z390 motherboard (Coffee Lake CPU)... and getting the outboard PCIe to PCI adapter that's known to work. Jim, how 'bout this? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158165
Jim Roseberry Posted February 7, 2019 Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Phoen1xPJ said: Jim, how 'bout this? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815158165 I believe that's the outboard PCIe to PCI adapter that's been working with the Echo cards... but Search the forum to make sure it's the exact same model.
Phoen1xPJ Posted February 7, 2019 Author Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jim Roseberry said: I believe that's the outboard PCIe to PCI adapter that's been working with the Echo cards... but Search the forum to make sure it's the exact same model. Yep, found it on the old forum.
kitekrazy Posted February 8, 2019 Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, msmcleod said: I'm running the B75 chipset (Asus P8B75-V) for exactly the same reason. Not only is it a native PCI, but it also supports all the voltages. It's one of the few motherboards that still supports the Yamaha DS2416 cards. Wow! My Yamaha SW1000XG wouldn't work with the Intel 900 series chipsets. Those old M-Audio cards still work.
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