TheSteven Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) Based on your personal experience - what VST2 plugins work better than their VST3 counter parts? I'd like to build a list of these, posting here because the Deals forum seams to get more traffic than the Instrument & Effects. I'll start - off the top of my head: Plugin Alliance Triad - in the CbB Track Bin had several times where when muting the VST3 version it would go into permanent bypass mode until removed and reinserted. Haven't had that issue (yet) with the VST2 version. Edited March 10, 2020 by TheSteven 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 the Boz stuff has a problem with bypass and exporting audio in cubase - vst3 only uhe repro-1 and 5 the vst3 version is bit broken and it's recommenced that you use vst2 I always tend to install vst3 by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcL Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) A lot of Plugin-Alliance plugins that use the standard preset setting (drop-down list in the plugin header). With these plugins it is painful to load presets with the VST3 version ?, because you always have to select the correct folder manually!! It is valid for bx_bassdude, bx_rockrack, Noveltech Vocal Enhancer, SPL De-Essers, SPL Vitalizer MK2, Lindell 254E, Millennia TCL-2, Vertigo VSC-2, bx_hybrid V2, bx_panEQ, SPL Transient Designer Plus, SPL Attacker Plus, bx_meter ... By the way this is also valid for other plugin manufacturers! Edited March 10, 2020 by marled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ensconced Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, marled said: A lot of Plugin-Alliance plugins that use the standard preset setting (drop-down list in the plugin header). With these plugins it is painful to load presets with the VST3 version ?, because you always have to select the correct folder manually!! It is valid for bx_bassdude, bx_rockrack, Noveltech Vocal Enhancer, SPL De-Essers, SPL Vitalizer MK2, Lindell 254E, Millennia TCL-2, Vertigo VSC-2, bx_hybrid V2, bx_panEQ, SPL Transient Designer Plus, SPL Attacker Plus, bx_meter ... By the way this is also valid for other plugin manufacturers! That must be a CbB/SONAR thing?, I don't use CbB and haven't used Platinum in over 4 years (and can't recall back that far), but in Studio One the presets are available via the normal method, no need for manually directing to correct folder or anything like that. All the ones I have that you list above work fine as I described, and all my other PA plugs that come with presets are the same. The individual presets are also available via the plugin browser under the plugin in question (via drop down), ie you can load say Bassdude with '6 Paula Riff English4x12' (or any other preset for that matter) pre-selected. VST3 Edited March 10, 2020 by ensconced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, pwalpwal said: u-he have resommended using vst2 versions of their plugs in the past, their website now has this faq item "Known VST3 issues": I remember seeing that, and as a result have their VST3 "hidden". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 5 hours ago, marled said: A lot of Plugin-Alliance plugins that use the standard preset setting (drop-down list in the plugin header). With these plugins it is painful to load presets with the VST3 version ?, because you always have to select the correct folder manually!! I reported problem very long ago to them, seems they do not care... Well, I do not even try to use their VST3 ... One of serious disadvantage of using VST3 (but again it is manufacturers fault) is in many installs we can pick directory to install for VST2 but not for VST3... So hard to keep plugins on other location than OS disk... using installers... 5 hours ago, marled said: By the way this is also valid for other plugin manufacturers! But there are some who are preparing better their plugin for use, as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Sorrels Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 VST3 plugins shouldn't let you choose a directory to install to on Windows. That's the way it's been designed. They are only supposed to be installed into Program Files\Common Files\VST3 Program Files (x86)\Common Files\VST3 With Program Files being the Windows PF directory, which oddly enough doesn't have to be C:\ but is usually. Plugin developers are encouraged to install their other files in the various user and app data directories. Cause otherwise there is a good chance it won't work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 22 minutes ago, Matthew Sorrels said: VST3 plugins shouldn't let you choose a directory to install to on Windows. That's the way it's been designed. They are only supposed to be installed into Program Files\Common Files\VST3 Program Files (x86)\Common Files\VST3 With Program Files being the Windows PF directory, which oddly enough doesn't have to be C:\ but is usually. Plugin developers are encouraged to install their other files in the various user and app data directories. Cause otherwise there is a good chance it won't work. To be honest I believe it is horrible rule and idea... Part of wider topic... I would like to keep all my plugin on different disk than OS one. All on the same one. Maybe even share it in future through Internet for my different locations (or in easier variant mobile one) to stop forcing me wasting lots of time for managing plugins in the same way on few my computers... Installing, updating, removing, whatever.. It is the same 'brilliancy' to force install application things on OS disk as long time ago assumption 1MB RAM is absolutely enough... And we were experiencing results of that design in very strange tricks in CPU architecture to keep everything like it was for old apps and provide more memory for new with additional mode of CPU... Good design is when OS disk is small, dedicated only for OS and application can be independent on OS filesystem and they do not interfere each other. Unfortunately many creators don't care and probably are not quite familiar with some good practices (like give user a choice ). For instance in my job I have seen apps which are using /tmp filesystem to keep there their data, quite usual example of a bad is when way growing app data is put directly put /var filesystem... etc... While these were Linux world examples they have many in common with designs for apps in Windows world... Mindless installers putting every possible version of plugin everywhere, forcing assumption there have to be installed AAX etc... Leaving lots of areas for not required interaction between OS and apps because of sharing resources where they shouldn't or there is a choice... Lots of still the same issues even after 10-15 years Often some manufacturers do hard and great work with what app is doing or GUI but completely ignore of reasonable design for data placement, installers, plugin management etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I have all my vst3 plugins on D : // I just cut them and paste them there, lol. Don't ask. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, Carlos said: I have all my vst3 plugins on D : // I just cut them and paste them there, lol. Don't ask. ? Sure, we can do many things manually and by ourselves, Carlos But - call me lazy and spoiled guy - I believe I have computer to do work instead of me not forcing me to do anything instead of it So every workflow issue, lazy design I consider as not-finished-job by creators (or job bad done No matter it is related to plugin, OS, DAW, WWW browser or whatever... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, Piotr said: Sure, we can do many things manually and by ourselves, Carlos But - call me lazy and spoiled guy - I believe I have computer to do work instead of me not forcing me to do anything instead of it So every workflow issue, lazy design I consider as not-finished-job by creators (or job bad done No matter it is related to plugin, OS, DAW, WWW browser or whatever... We love smilies ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, Carlos said: We love smilies ??? Ooops, I thought they were big, yellow dots to be used at the end of sentence ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antler Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I was disappointed to learn that VST3 must be installed to a certain path: I try to keep my C drive for Windows and program files only. Regardless I ended up just going to the install location, moving the contents to another drive, and then creating a symlink in it's place; it's working well for me so far. For anyone interested and on Windows, look up the command mklink 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piotr Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 1 hour ago, antler said: I was disappointed to learn that VST3 must be installed to a certain path: I try to keep my C drive for Windows and program files only. Regardless I ended up just going to the install location, moving the contents to another drive, and then creating a symlink in it's place; it's working well for me so far. For anyone interested and on Windows, look up the command mklink Yep, it is very good advice. I used this method in the past for something but forgot what it was... ? Thanks for recalling me that I need to look for what I have linked to and where Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcL Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Piotr said: Lots of still the same issues even after 10-15 years Don't understate! I would say after 25-30 years! ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joakim Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 16 hours ago, TheSteven said: Based on your personal experience - what VST2 plugins work better than their VST3 counter parts? I'd like to build a list of these, posting here because the Deals forum seams to get more traffic than the Instrument & Effects. I'll start - off the top of my head: Plugin Alliance Triad - in the CbB Track Bin had several times where when muting the VST3 version it would go into permanent bypass mode until removed and reinserted. Haven't had that issue (yet) with the VST2 version. Did you try to download the beta version? It fixes a lot of issues and has a more scalable GUI. There’s a download link on kvr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) I guess it depends on the installer. I had my IK VST3 plugins in Program Files\Common Files\VST3\TR5. I was wondering the same thing as the OP when it came to using VST2 or 3. Edited March 10, 2020 by kitekrazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Russ Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 This can vary based upon DAW, but when I run it in CW, the latest SGear works fine as a VST 2.4 plugin but not as VST 3. Bitwig and Studio One don't have that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy1 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I didn't realize that it was until Live 10 they offered VST3 support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 4 hours ago, kitekrazy said: I didn't realize that it was until Live 10 they offered VST3 support. 10.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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