Misha

Andi, "Anyway you do what you do and I do what I do." That's a wonderful idea. My post was meant for Timothy (The person who started this thread) and whoever else might have similar questions. Definitely not a happy camper such as yourself.

Andi, You compiled 2 answers into one? One potato + One apple = Two tomatoes? Re-read. I am talking about Cakewalk. CbB - CAKEWALK BY BANDLAB.

Now I know what kept me from subscribing! Can I only opt for CASH and PRIZES? Ohh, another question please. How much CASH? #1 kind of contradicts #3 , but OK objectional. But most important question you should ask is, if Bandlab will deactivate your Cakewalk license at some point indefinitely, making it inoperable if you decide to go with Cakewalk instead of Sonar. It is a very gray area that no one who works for Bandlab answered so far. Not here, not when asked directly through "proper" company emails.

John is wonderful! Epic video!

Dear Andi Rock. #1 people complain about lifetime licenses and Gibson saga, yet some saying how great and trustworthy bandlab is. I am just an observer. All I am saying, time will show, if the boss keeps the written word. If I live that long to find out of course. #2 I am ready to purchase a Sonar licence if it's priced similar to competitors, to show my support. Or even pay for current version of Cakewalk with a promise that it will not spy on me and activation will not expire. I am not interested in pay per view entertainment. If you like current model, great for you. It's just I will not rent software.

In the first Bandlab public letter email Mr. Meng mentioned "decades" (as in plural), as far as Cakewalk by Bandlab goes . To be true to his words, he (Mr. Kuok Meng Ru) needs to have it available for "free" at least until 2038, as letter was signed by him. Sonar is a different product. And if they decide to sell normal licenses, I will be among first in line. Not under current circumstances. Likely this will get locked soon, so if you wish(Sock Monkey) , PM me and I will locate and show you a copy of that letter, if you never received it.

Maybe even something special for us, loyal users that still have hope for something that we are not allowed to speak of? That would be a pleasant surprise...

Wookie, it is obvious as day you have a very certain degree of prejudice against me. Publicly and privately. Please don't go that route and think about wisdom of words mentioning KARMA that you proudly showcase in your signature. It was a wording mistake, but the point is, OP wanted to Purchase software(his/ her words) Meaning, pay for something that doesn't expire and will not stop working as current rental version of Sonar. At least that was my understanding of what OP was trying to convey. Instead of poking me, do the honors and explain to OP yourself benefits and disadvantages of current model of Sonar licensing.

Since nobody clarified in plain language to OP, and to prevent a possible buyer remorse situation, I will. Seems like new Sonar is a great DAW, but you can not buy it. This is what you are trying to do Ludi, Buy it... Right? You can only buy subscription (rent) new Sonar. Stop paying = Sonar will no longer work. If you are OK with this, go for it! It was said on multiple occasions that company is considering sale of permanent licences, but as of now there are no updates.

"The team is working on implementing a perpetual license offer and considering offering the product to be activated forever should a user buy the yearly membership plan. As the product is still under early access, more details regarding the appropriate pricing and plugin bundles are being fleshed out. So we recommend you consider whether you wish to take up the annual subscription now or in the future when things are more concrete." Circa April 2024.

I wish they would come up with at least a compromise, for those of us who will not rent. For example: Rent Nu Sonar for a year - get a permanent unlock patch (no pull plug de-activation) for Cakewalk by Bandlab. I guess, it would be clear where this is heading after a full year cycle from the time of release. Patiently waiting....

Thanks all for comments & suggestions! I guess one of the issue that I am having difficulty with is that my vocals are muddy (by nature:) ) and they get tangled in with many other instruments. I will give it another vocal try and will try to address frequency space for each instrument and harder guitar panning. Thanks again!

Mark, in my 20+ year DAW journey I discovered that cores and RAM do play a role... but not as important as certain chip architecture. To put in a perspective. A few years ago I bought Thinkpad Xtreme (laptop) i7 9000 series processor, nvme 64 ram, 12 core (!) . It was a top of the line back then, but it struggled with intensive plugins. Something like multi plugin for example Izotope Neutron or Ozone would just have continuous dropouts, even at highest buffers, with internet disconnected and system running very slim. Number of cores played almost no role in my case. I tried balancing cores dedicating specific cores for Cakewalk use - no difference in performance. I spent so much time "optimizing" that machine, it's not funny. I gave up and got a different Thinkpad (Thinkbook). It's not top line and graphics are pretty standard, but seller had fantastic return policy so I decided to take a chance... For testing purposes of the new machine, I've made a project with several (!) instances of Ozone and other plugins with "lookaheads" and it run absolutely fine. It can handle 50+ tracks with about 30 medium & heavy weight plugins/synth without any issues. The only time I get a dropout now if I do something stupid. So, for consumer/prosumer machine it is awesome. The processor is 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-12700H 2.30 GHz. The point I am trying to make, it's very individual and the Audio part, in my experience, depends greatly on chipset and I/O of a particular machine / motherboard.

Hi folks. This is the first time I am posting something here. A new tune I was working on past couple of weeks. Music is my hobby, not aiming for anything remotely professional. For me it always bit of a challenge, to compose, arrange, record etc., when you do it all by yourself switching from one process to another. I am sure some of you know the feeling. When I am finished with structure, my ears are too tired and I just don't hear it well enough to mix right... I've listened to some very well crafted tunes here, so I was wondering if a side listener can spot some obvious mistake(s) in the mix. I take critique very well. As one music friend said "I got a skin of a snow tire". Thank you in advance. Stand By My Side

Sounds similar to couple of songs from Sting & Shaggy collab a few years back. In any case fun tune. Glad to see EC doing stuff. Thanks for sharing.