David Thiel

that is what I thought, but nothing I did would reveal it. It could have only been behind the main window and that makes no sense. I'm recovering the work now, working backwards from the export and saving frequently. This is working. Very strange.

My first thought. The problem is that File Save As didn't bring up a dialog box so there was no opportunity to save to another drive. I tried the seldom used "Save Copy As" and that didn't do anything either. Sometimes Sonar doesn't seem to do the right thing because dialog boxes are coming up behind other windows. I closed all the windows but the main one, minimized it and brought it back but I could not find any hiding windows. The error dialog came just fine, every time. Sonar has been working consistently, without crashing so I was lulled into false security.

Noel, The only way to exit Sonar was to quit without saving. Generally, I save frequently except when in the heat of the moment. Now I am not so confident. I rebooted (win10 system due to be replaced when I get a chance). I loaded up the project. The worst. I saved when I cleared the previous clips out. I do have the exported audio of the project but nothing else. It was 100% MIDI prject, mostly Kontak7, Sound Paint and two instances of Spitfire Audio. 6 tracks in total, maybe 32 bars, it was an orchestral sketch. I use markers to navigate; there were probably a half dozen. Pretty simple. And totally gone. I'm at the tail end of a big project, I've written over 120 orchestral pieces for a game, and today was the first time I've seen this. Does Audiosnap refer to MIDI clips? I would think not. I only had one audio clip, that was a reference for the style that I am mimicking.

I just got this message. I compose with Cakewalk Sonar every day. Most projects are derived from previous projects. I have been prolific recently. This was a 2nd piece today. I exported the audio and then cntl-s. It refused to save. (Cannot write file - disk may be full) E drive has over 700 Gb available to save a 5 meg file so that isn't it. Save As doesn't, no error message, but no dialog box. "Save a copy" doesn't do anything either. I dislike losing the last hour's efforts. I've been using the same setup for this project for the last 16 months. The only major change was a Cakewalk Sonar update, but that was yesterday (I think) and I've loaded and saved several projects since then. Never seen this error before. E drive is working; other apps save files to it. WTH....

that was it. Thank you. This refers to a different issue. Screensets. Screenset performance makes them not useful and if I inadvertently input a number key 1-9,0 then I have to wait for the screenset to take effect. So, just now I had a brainstorm: "Just unlink the key bindings". Whoops, nope these seems to be 'baked in'. At least the latency in "Keyboard Shortcuts" is tolerable. I mistakenly locked down keyset one hoping that would defeat the hotkey. That was my mistake.

workspace? This must be something outside of Sonar? Sonar help search 'workspace' returns nothing.

I'm using multiple instances of SoundPaint and PhasePlant. I move them to the Multidock. Save and Close the project. On opening the project they are not in the Multidock. Unlike Kontakt or Opus which can minimize 16 instruments with one click, on project Open I have to minimize each instrument instance in order to see the track and multidock views underneath them. am I missing a step to persist my intention? as an aside I'm using Sonar now. I'm fine with a subscription if it means consistent support/development. As a longtime Cakewalk user (Dos 3.1) I was upset with the Gibson fiasco. Hopefully this will promote Sonar into a DAW that is supported by vendors like Kronos and others who currently do not support issues that crop up if the DAW is Cakewalk.

Wow, that works! I'm so glad I asked. Thank you Cakewalk Users. ?

When manually editing the CC lane I'd like to set one value at a time. I put the the smart cursor in the CC lane on a controller I want to edit. Smart tool has chosen the pencil tool. I left click. Nothing happens. If I want point to appear I have to drag a little. Depending on the quantization value I now have several points. I only wanted one. So I (with annoying precision) delete the extras till I get one (for easy adjustment). Why do I have to left-click-drag to insert CC values? Insertion of a single CC value at the point of the cursor over the CC control lane would simplify my work flow. This has always driven me crazy. I've been using Cakewalk since DOS and after it was abandoned I grudgingly bought CuBase but I still prefer Cakewalk. And it has only taken twenty years for me to make the suggestion. David Thiel

this is very consistent. - let me first say that I have over 100 synth vsts and nearly 800 libraries. Momentum is the only one crashing Cakewalk. I purchased Wire Modern Country in Momentum format. I put a group of instruments into it. pressing keys to audition the clips causes Cakewalk to 'wink out'. Just disappear. No dialog boxes. I looked in roaming\cakewalk\cakewalkcore...... and I didn't find any dump files. Just me? I also purchased the acid file version of this. I may have to go 'old school'. Is Momentum working fine for others? Is there an option that I need to set for Momentum to be stable? thanks

experiment 2: Play the same metronome clip from a VST instead of the MIDI hardware. Result: perfect sync, audibly and visually playing at the same time. confusing.... why is sound triggered from the grid through MIDI hardware not synchronized?

neither unchecking "Use ASIO Reported Latency" nor clicking PDC changes the 96 msec delay of the acoustic metronome.

broken record came back so this thread continues. I took a step back. Since record works with the audio metronome I tried a simple experiment. I recorded the result with my cell phone (to keep the computer out of it). As you can see above, the tink played with MIDI hardware from the grid soundss and 95 msec later the audio metronome plays. With a buffer output latency of 6.2 msec I can't account for the other 89 msec. so I looked at these settings: at 48K, 575 samples is 0.011 of a second (as a music major I'm in the deep weeds now) so it seems unlikely that the Record Latency Adjustment is the problem. So I have two issues in this thread, broken record when using the MIDI metronome and the latency issue that I'm trying to address by using MIDI only for tracking. I'm going to continue poking at this till I wrestle it to the ground.

broken record came back so this thread continues. I took a step back. Since record works with the audio metronome I tried a simple experiment. I recorded the result with my cell phone (to keep the computer out of it). As you can see above, the tink played with MIDI hardware from the grid soundss and 95 msec later the audio metronome plays. With a buffer output latency of 6.2 msec I can't account for the other 89 msec. so I looked at these settings: at 48K, 575 samples is 0.011 of a second (as a music major I'm in the deep weeds now) so it seems unlikely that the Record Latency Adjustment is the problem. So I have two issues in this thread, broken record when using the MIDI metronome and the latency issue that I'm trying to address by using MIDI only for tracking. I'm going to continue poking at this till I wrestle it to the ground.

very interesting responses. In the spirit of forum sharing: I make a living with Cakewalk. Even though in the distant past when I was a classical organ major in college and dealt with distant banks of organ pipes (50 yards) I'm not tolerant of latency when tracking. My performances are rarely lined up with the grid. To deal with this I enter fragments and do a lot of editing. I acquired a little dedicated blue plastic GM MIDI synth hanging off of a MOTU micro lite which is playing a wood block at D#6 on Output 2, channel 10, duration 6 clicks. My notion was that I would only have the slightly indeterminate USB MIDI jitter between the metronome click and my ear instead of the latency of the 256 buffer of the Babyface Pro audio metronome. When I track I'm using Yamaha EX5 piano or other appropriate sound to hear what I am playing to the MidiPlus click. After I get the notes in I will orchestrate them with VST audio. I switched to another project and found that I could record with the MIDI metronome. Not quite sure why yet but the above gives me some things to look into. To my surprise I was consistently playing before the grid. An experiment: I entered in the d#6 on a MIDI track, mimicking the metronome and hit record; only to find that they were not together! Hmmmmm. I turned off PDC and it was much worse.... This is where I am at the start of the 'better tracking' day.