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I strongly agree with this opinion. Features that feel like "toys" can easily be added with third-party plugins. In the development of a DAW, I believe that VST instruments and effects should be kept to a minimum. For example, EQ and compressors can be left to Fabfilter, and if you want to create orchestral music, using Spitfire Audio or Cinematic Studio Series will be sufficient. For club music, I believe that by using Serum, it is possible to cover nearly all genres. The most important thing is a stable and robust system that does not crash when introducing plugins or using automation, allowing professionals to use it with confidence. I think Reaper is a good example of these principles. Currently, I feel that Sonar is not sufficient in terms of these principles and cannot fulfill its responsibility in a professional environment. That said, I have become so accustomed to Sonar’s workflow that I will continue using it. Also, based on the recent updates to Sonar, I believe the developers are working hard and trying to improve the software.

I have confirmed that the VST3 version of BFD3 has been implemented in the latest update. As a result, you can install the VST3 version of BFD3 (version 3.5) using the inMusic Software Center.

I don’t use BFD myself(but, I have BFD3), so I can’t directly verify whether this issue is specific to BFD3, but I have experienced compatibility issues between Sonar and other VST plugins, so I understand how frustrating these kinds of problems can be. I recently heard that BFD3 has been updated to support VST3. If you haven’t already, perhaps updating to the latest version might help resolve the issue, especially if it’s related to VST2 compatibility. I really sympathize with how difficult and isolating it can feel when you're dealing with an unresolved issue. I’ve had similar experiences where I struggled to find solutions, so I understand how you feel. I hope you can find a fix soon, and I’m rooting for you.

Thank you for verifying. A Japanese friend was able to reproduce this bug, so it might be a language-related issue.

Thank you for your advice. A few days ago, I received a similar suggestion from Cakewalk support, but unfortunately, changing the UI settings on the UVI side didn’t resolve the issue.

I’m currently using a mini PC equipped with a UM790Pro laptop-grade CPU, so I’m unable to replace the graphics card. I’ve tested the setup in Cubase 13, Ableton Live 12, and Bitwig 5.1.8, but this issue only occurs in Cakewalk Sonar.

Thank you very much for your advice—I really appreciate your help. I’ve confirmed that I’m using the latest version of UVI Workstation (3.1.15) and the most recent drivers for my Radeon 780M from AMD’s official site. Unfortunately, even with both updated, the issue still persists.

Thanks for the advice. I have sent the project file to support.

Hello, I am writing to report an issue I encountered while using the VST3 version of UVI Workstation in Sonar. I am also sharing a video demonstrating the issue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3QFNECjvbs [Issue Details] - Affected Plugin: UVI Workstation (VST3) - Description: - The plugin’s UI suddenly turns completely white, making it unusable. - Inserting a new instance of the plugin results in the same issue. - Restarting Sonar temporarily resolves the problem, but it reoccurs after approximately 3 minutes. [Steps to Reproduce] 1. Insert the VST3 version of UVI Workstation into a track in Sonar. 2. Use the plugin for a few minutes (regardless of interaction). 3. The UI turns completely white, and the plugin becomes unresponsive. 4. Removing and reinserting the plugin does not fix the issue, and the problem recurs even after restarting Sonar. [System Information] - OS: Windows 11 24H2 - CPU: Ryzen 9 7940HS - Memory: DDR5 64GB - GPU: Radeon 780M - Audio Interface: RME Babyface Pro - Sonar Version: 2025.02 - UVI Workstation Version: (Please specify the version you are using) I would appreciate it if you could look into this issue. Please let me know if you need any further information. Thank you for your time and support.

I envy your environment where you can use automation without any issues.

I have not tried that yet. I will test it when I have time.

I've had a similar experience with plugins like Serum as well. I posted about the same issue on the forum, so the reproducibility of this problem is very high. https://discuss.cakewalk.com/topic/83966-sonar-crashes-when-automating-vst3-plugins/ In my case, crashes are more likely to occur when controlling parameters via automation. As for a current workaround, I think the best option is to use VST2 plugins whenever available. It's disappointing that even though VST3 has been around for over 10 years, Sonar still hasn't fully supported it.

Hi everyone, I'm encountering an issue with Sonar crashing when automating VST3 plugins, and I'm looking for some advice or solutions. Issue: The same plugin works fine with its VST2 version, but when I try to automate the VST3 version, Sonar crashes. Plugins tested: I noticed this with Serum, but similar behavior occurs with other synthesizers like Sylenth1 and some effect plugins. Attachments: I've included a video demonstrating the issue and a project file that reproduces the crash. If anyone has experienced a similar issue or knows of a solution, I’d appreciate your input! Project File: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15huR9nWxvbvKUG3vJjDQrfuSp_Tdpoem/view?usp=sharing

It's difficult to find overseas DAW workstations from Japan, but I took a quick look. https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/configurator/3xs-az-audio-workstation-music-production-system In the case of this PC product, all the components inside are available for individual purchase, so if we really wanted to, we could build the same system ourselves. It doesn’t really feel like a dedicated DAW workstation... (I think my search method may have been flawed, so there might be genuine professional workstations out there if I look harder.)

So there is a term called "rock solid." Unless the software is exceptionally well-made, I feel like being truly "rock solid" is almost impossible... I've been using Sonar since the X2 era. Sonar's MIDI editor is incredibly easy to use, and I can't imagine composing orchestral music with anything else. I once had similar thoughts as you and decided to buy a brand-new PC. I did a completely clean installation of Windows and set up an environment with only Sonar and VST plugins. In the end, I experienced the exact same crashes and ended up just wasting my time and money.