The point is I've got years of working with Cakewalk, then Sonar, then Cakewalk, and now Sonar again so I'm very familiar with all the stupid hoops one has to jump through to ensure that these work well. Yes I'm using ASIO drivers. Yes I'm using a great interface (Clarett+), yes I have a great PC with LOTS of memory, yes I have SSD drive, etc. THIS SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE and I shouldn't have to spend hours hunting down which plugin might or might not be the one it's having a problem with. Yes I can open projects in Cakewalk and they work fine without crashing or scrambling sound and needing buffer reset to make them play well again.