I uninstalled both and reinstalled , the product center would not let me download sonar, if kept giving me update check error, update check request failed or timed out, also had no products available,  
 
	i re installed a version of sonar i had in my downloads  31.06.034 which did start, would not let me update, just stuck on downloading , it also crashed,  crash code C000005 (access violation) 
 
	both bandlab and splat still loading fine, cant understand whats going on 
 
	is there anyway i can download the latest version without using the product center? 
 
	EDIT
 
	The product center is now showing products but i can not update sonar, it does nothing, click on the 3 dots , click download and update, says download in progress but is doing nothing 
 
	EDIT 2 
 
	The product center will let me download and install the other plug ins, just not sonar!