Sock Monkey

I have no problem, I have versions going back to Guitar Studio. I also have 3 other GM players. I have 4 Midi Hardware GM players. Read the OP. This is about how Cakewalk/Sonar used to have a default GM player. It used to play GM files automatically. It could use the TTS-1 or the MS Wavetable to do this. They removed both so new users don't have options. All that is needed to fix this would be to have an option ( Like Ardour, Mixcraft & others) to chose a default GM player.

I guess I should just change the title of the thread to "Help no sound"! Geez..

So note,, no prices. you have to sign up. Who will bother.

Yes we might think to do that. But a random person who is shopping for a Daw would never type that, They would do like I did and use keywords like Sonar or Cakewalk. As I said, try it... You get pricing to purchase Sonar Plat. Which begs the question why they have not yet killed those pages. It's all okay to a point, but it's disheartening to see such a good Daw get such shabby treatment.

DAW Purchase Can dollars on Sept 22 2024 Lifetime purchase. ( or sub ) Ardour $1-$45 ( almost Free ) Ableton $129-$479-$969 Bitwig $99-$199-$399 Cakewalk Free Cake Sonar No pricing , ?? for sub ?? have to create account. Cake Next Same as Sonar. Cubase (on sale) $72-$238-$420 Luna Free Motu DP $195 Mixcraft $79-$149 ( rent to own option) Harrison Mixbus $129 Pro Tools First Free Pro Tools full - Sub $35 mo or $300 Year Reaper $60 Studio One $149-$179 or $20 Mo Sound Bridge Free- $179 or $10 mon Waveform Free I quickly got all these prices by going to each developers web site and they were either on the home page or listed under " Buy" or "Purchase" Not so for Sonar. Google " Cakewalk Sonar Price " will get you to Legacy Store for Sonar Plat. The cost of subscribing is hidden from the public on the Bandlab websites and the only way to find out is buy signing up for a membership. If you were shopping for a Daw would you even bother?

Thank you for all going totally going off topic. I never got my answer. So I'm going with they have no plans. The uncounted silent users who depended on Cakewalk for it's GM midi features probably are OK because they have the old versions still. I don't think new Sonar has many new users. Next most certainly doesn't, but at least it can play a GM midi file.

But notice how he totally avoided the topic. Well this is not my findings. I just tried on 3 computers. I tried ASIO, Wasapi and MME. this is what the midi device screen looks like. It used to show even in ASIO mode and many people used it for demoing midi files. They were posting like crazy when this happened.

Yes a handful of us are aware of this. My post is for the benefit of new users. They will not have access to the TTS-1. There are alternative players like the VST synth font https://www.synthfont.com/ But Sonar doesn't have a system in place to make this a default player when you open a Midi file in the way the TS-1 worked. It's also weird that Sonar removed the check box for using MS wavetable synth. At least that was a workable solution. I also find it odd that Cakewalk Next can. The question is- are you planning on fixing this in future updates? It would seem it might be easy to copy what Next is doing.

EDIT Sept 22- I updated the title seeing as how this thread totally got derailed. Staff answered the highjack question instead of mine, so I take that as a No. Since the removal of the TTS-1 GM player Sonar is one the few Daw's that doesn't have a GM player anymore. Most Daw's will play a GM file using some sort of player as well as use the correct instruments and follow the tempo map. Cakewalk Sonar gives you midi tracks with no where to go. Therefore silence. Cakewalk Next will play GM midi files. But It doesn't read the tempo maps. Are there plans to fix this sort of glaring error? Cakewalk used to be very popular for its TTS-1 and what it did. It used to play GM files automatically using the TTS_1 or the MS Wavetable. These were removed around last January. What is needed is a option to choose a default GM player like Ardour, Mixcraft and other have.

bring back you old Avatar. That will be cool. There's no huge difference between Cakewalk and Sonar as far as things like workspaces go.

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Is that our Beagle ? Welcome back if it is. I don't think any other Daw has such an item as a workspace. I guess they created the workspace options so that an overly busy Daw could then have a simpler interface available for new comers. Thus the dumb idea to have the default as "basic" instead of "None". Uncounted ( 100's?) of posts here have been related to that one dumb default choice by the developers. Workspaces are a feature that I have used since almost day one. I took the time to read the info when they first came out and it's a crazy complicated system. Way over the head for new comers. Once you do understand how it works it makes Sonar a very customizable Daw. I would even think this is not something any other Daw can do. So the mistake the developers made is to try and dummy it down but that's obviously not working so they should simply set the default to none. Then All new installs of Sonar or Cakewalk will be a default that has all features available. Then Newcomers can be instructed to try the Basic workspace if they are finding the interface overwhelming. Or point them at Next! Example there's a thread just started where the OP is looking for the Sys Exclusive list. Guess what? Yep Basic workspace strikes again. And I agree about the other annoying default of Comping instead of the commonly used by Overwrite! Even Cakewalk Next defaults to Overwrite. And take note that this is not a workspace item. Its a New project when using template item. So ya, you have open all templates and save them again to get rid of this. But then if you open a Midi file it will be back to bite you in the arze. And I think this gets trashed with certain updates. So best to roll your own templates. The solution to the OP's problem is simply set your layout the way you like it and save this as a custom workspace. Aviod overwriting the factory workspaces. They will return to original on an update unless you re name it. As well as None will also reset to factory. Bottom line is if you want a custom workspace then save it as one. I only have 2. One Screen, Two Screens. They have been with me for years now and seem to always work. And I made a zillion changes to my set up.

FYI- The latest free version of Cakewalk can open all older files. It will just warn of missing plug ins that might have be used. Especially 32 bit.

I wasn't talking about Cakewalk. Cakewalk/Sonar would seem to be the only Daw that is this way. Most other Daw's have Import or drag and drop often both. And each is different in what happens. The OP was using Ardour. Please read whole post not just part of it for a better understanding of my comment. Update: I tried importing a Midi file into Ardour again today and this time it all worked properly. I got the tempo map as well as it played the correct instruments. I write it off as the software seems sort of on the edge all the time. It crashes etc.

This topic is of great interest to me as I have been testing about 10 Daw's to see how they handle importing a GM midi file. This is critical if you want to re construct a Cakewalk project that contains any midi data in another Daw. Even though many will end up using Sonar ( me included) we should always have a backup plan for transferring to other Daw's. You might find your self collaborating and need to do this. I've been messing with Ardour. The development is open source community. But be warned, it's very Mac and Linux oriented. It was one that more or less failed the GM test. Take note that Harrison Mixbus is the same Daw. It just comes with better? plug ins. I asked on the user forum about my issues. There was no solution, but I made progress and managed to import a midi file. It takes a lot more work than most of the other daw's I tried. If you are importing a Midi file that has a tempo map it ignores that. I am hoping this is an issue that can be resolved by the community. There are check boxes for tempo and you can choose any GM player you want, it just doesn't work. No tempo and the GM player ignores the patch's. I would think this can be fixed, but only if someone is willing to do it, open source is different than complaining to a paid developer. So far Cubase is the only one equal to Cakewalk for importing ( opening) a GM file. Some import the tempo map but there's either no player or the player ignores patches. Then some play the proper instruments but at that wrong tempo. I do like the way Studio one gets everything working and you can drag and drop all your proper VST instruments in like 10 seconds from the browser.