Bass Guitar

Remove the word Simple. It’s exactly the same thing as the split with the addition of it can also have midi data in the same track. Is this all a misunderstanding of what the ( simple) Instrument Track is? What does multiple audio outputs have to do with this. That’s a function of the VST which can exist in both types of instrument tracks. As well as both types can be fed by as many midi tracks as possible. I do this a lot.

But what Im saying is that in the case of both the examples above, there would be no difference if the instrument track was a split or a simple? Both can receive midi data from any midi track. They can also receive data from the output of another instrument if it is set to output midi data. Say you woke up one day and the latest update simply removed the option for the split instrument. All existing split instruments would open now as simple instrument tracks and because the icon is the same you would not even notice any difference. ?? Yes?

While researching about GM midi I found that the track name box can hold 128 characters. This is saved in the midi data.

@Starship Krupa I’m not debating anything. I realize that there is 2 choices and possibly a 50/50 split between how everyone will choose. Im just curious about a use case that if they did remove the split instrument option as to what would happen to those who work that way? Example you could still have the simple instrument track as well as a midi track or tracks that go there. In other words you don’t have to place the midi data on the instrument track. This is what Im curious about. The only difference I can think of is that you can’t put midi data on a split instrument track. But?

Im confused. What can’t you do with a simple instrument track that you can do with a split?? Im curious.

Yes the Steinberg driver has known issues with Sonar. You have to delete it in the RegEdit app. Look for Software/ASIO. Delete everything except your audio interface drivers. It’s OK to have other ASIO drivers for legitimate hardware as long as they are not connected. Example I have ASIO drivers for Motu, SSL and Zoom. But if you spot any 3rd party ASIO drivers like Magix or FL or Steinberg delete them. MIDI drivers don’t interfere with your audio. Not that this is the cause of your problem but it’s still best to eliminate any known issues when troubleshooting.

Im not sure what you mean by “ Configure” button? As I said all I needed to do was go into the mixer for the drum vst and re- assign each channel to a different output. I choose to use only 6 of the 32 available. Then you add the new tracks and choose the channel you want as track inputs. It’s very simple. This works perfectly for me using SSD 5, Mondo drums and Addictive drums. As well as it is the same in 2 other Daw’s that I use.

@Starship Krupa Yes absolutely the way it was made no common sense. Sonar is the only Daw Im aware of that has the two types of instrument tracks. There is actually no reason I can think of to have the split tracks. For me I think it was I started using them because it must’ve been the default back in 2005. The day I discovered the simple instrument track I immediately started using that. They had an opportunity the eliminate the split track when they re did new Sonar. They seem to prefer leaving old bits behind instead of updating them and removing the old ones. Over time this bad habit has made for a 2,000 page user manual and I think we have 6 or 7 ways to add an instrument track and even then that has a dozen options. You really don’t see that anywhere else.

When that happens the first thing I do is toggle the global bypass all effects. Another thing that happens is that windows update is running. Try airplane mode.

Follow up. Yes the track template works great.

I really don’t expect anything to get fixed, I was just wondering if it was something that got changed. These projects are only backing tracks and probably won’t get any more attention from me. All important projects when I see a split track I re insert the instrument as a simple track and drag the midi to it and delete the split track. Much more tidy.

I toss in that yes it has always been a pain. And my biggest complaint is that I click on the dialogue to edit the name and that never seems to stick. Next thing you know you’ve just triggered 4 keyboard shortcuts. I forget which Daw it is that has a track info section where you can name , colour and icon tracks and it doesn’t loose focus. And every other Daw I use seems to only use the track number as the default. And the name of the synth will change when you swap it out. Sonar rarely changes the name to reflect the change if you use Replace synth.

@Base 57 did you try inserting a split instrument track to confirm? I guess the question is this intended or another graphic bug? How come nobody has noticed this? It’s been almost two years?

Look at the project at the top That is New Sonar. It contains a mixture of Simple and Split instruments but all the icons are the same. It should look like the picture below which shows a combination of icons. Unless they have recently changed this? These are old projects from back when I was still splitting tracks.

In another thread here we are sorting out how to add multi output drums after the fact. All is fine but then I thought to save time I would create a track template and then use that. Take note that these are all my backing track projects which are all very much the same layout and are pure midi. Many are also holdovers from the early days when I used split instrument tracks. More on that in a minute. So I opened another project and I inserted the track template. All went as planed and I now had the SSD5 drums with 6 outputs all properly named and routing all good. I dragged the Midi drums into the what I assumed was an instrument track and it wouldn't play? I dragged the midi back to the midi track and set the output to the instrument track and it plays?? ( by the way holding down shift does not keep the data in sync) Then I start noticing that all the icons for the midi tracks look like what I remember as instrument tracks as there is just a little keyboard. I confirmed that this was happening by first inserting an instrument and then inserting a split instrument. Both have the same icon? Now the question? is this something new or is this yet another graphics issue? So as it is there is no way to distinguish between the two types of instrument tracks. If you look at my screen shot you can see that Addictive drums is a split track. True pianos is not. And then the Combi organ, orange track is a instrument track and below the green tracks are split instrument tracks but all use same icon. Here is new Sonar Here is Platinum