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Bass Master is on sale for only $10. ALL of the expansions are on sale as a bundle for only $12. Bass Master is a steal at this price. https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/1-Instruments/70-Expansion-Packs/6684-Bass-Master-Complete-Expansion-Pack-Bundle?_gl=1*r4hqhp*_up*MQ..*_ga*NDY5Mjg0MjIzLjE3MzQxMTI5Njc.*_ga_33HHXGVSQG*MTczNDExMjk2Ni4xLjEuMTczNDExMjk3Ni4wLjAuNDY3NjUxNTIz

A few of us have been begging Cakewalk for this forever. The closest they came was Cyclone, which was a decent junglist tool released a little late. The rest of sampler attempts were complete whiffs. I do have some hope since the sampler in the bandlab site/app is decent.

Again, wasn't trying to give you a hard time. I will abide by rules , regardless. Your explanation just seemed odd to me, but as you pointed out, you clearly have information I am not privy to. Thanks for taking time to respond.

I think where there is a disconnect in this conversation is the references to the origins of each program is both misunderstood and somewhat irrelevant. Cakewalk predates both programs. All sequencers were midi then. That was well over 30 years ago and none of these programs are even close to what they originally were. In TODAY'S market the versions of these programs very much compete unless Bandlab/Cakewalk is just basically saying they have no desire to make anything remotely similar to programs used to make modern pop music. Not naming names, but two of what would seem to be Cakewalk's biggest competitors last few upgrades have been almost exclusively catering to sample manipulation. That goes way beyond simple loop functions. The fact that cakewalk doesn't seem to understand that does not bode well, imo. The Billie Eilish's of the world are going to keep cranking out hits on software that Cakewalk cannot compete with as is. Don't get me wrong, modern pop and EDM CAN be made in Cakewalk, but the workflow pales in comparison to both DAWS some here underestimate based on their origins as well as DAWS that many that are more similar to Cakewalk in origin but have adapted better. I will stop now, because I don't want it to seem like I am trashing Cakewalk, especially the free version that was offered . I am just hoping that someone with the ability to act will not have the same mindset as the comments. Not adapting to be friendlier to modern music, Cakewalk will not thrive as a paid product. I hope I am wrong

I agree that I don't mind them blocking competitors. I just suspect that Cakewalk is underestimating programs that have advanced a lot over the years. I firmly believe that Ableton and FL can do more traditional things that Cakewalk theoretically has an edge on than the other way around. I know folk guitarists and singer songwriters who swear by Ableton. Cakewalks loop tools are aimed at producers who use loops in a straightforward way that conforms more to the stereotype of how sample loops are used than the reality.

Before I start, I want to be clear I am not trying to be argumentative. I'm just having a frank conversation about one of the things I think has long been a stumbling block for Cakewalk. Yes, Cakewalk has ability to handle loops, but it requires workarounds for usage that genres that are sample heavily rely on. I'm not an Ableton user, but I think there are more things that I can do in Ableton but not in Cakewalk than the other way around. Ableton functions like most linear DAWs in timeline view. Where Cakewalk falls woefully short when it comes to working with samples are: the lack of robust integrated sampler Lack of native ability to manipulate chopped samples in a musical way. In most DAWs, "traditional" or not, a REX file can be imported into either an integrated sampler or integrated drum solution with slices mapped and a Midi file of slice patter generated. Even if using WAVs, I can slice a file and send all of those slices mapped to either drum pads or keys. Genres that manipulate breaks like Jungle or Breakcore are beyond tedious to do in Cakewalk. For those with tons of third party software it's not insurmountable, but it does show that Cakewalk has always had a huge disconnect from younger audiences. If I am missing something, please let me know .

Thanks for clarification. Not looking a gift horse in the mouth, but looping is a small subset of each of those programs. Both are capable of functioning very similar to Calewalk.i honestly think one of the mistakes made by cakewalk is not doing a better job of providing the best parts of each of those programs, as well as the robust features that would be effective for classical music. The stereotypes associated with earlier versions of the program are outdated to say the least. FL has arguably the best piano roll of any DAW and now that they have added timeline style recording, there is not much that can be done in cakewalk that can't be done in either program . There are tons if Ableton users who never use looping.

It's not far off of image line site price

This may not be allowed since competing DAW posts are no longer allowed

I think it's different now that they are trying to sell DAWs instead of supporting a free one. If it were me, I would those as opportunities to sell us on Bandlab offerings that compete favorably. Cakewalks's base has been very loyal to product despite being able to discuss other products . Cakewalk used to be good about having staff interact with forum to find solutions to features offered in competing products. It's their forum, so I still appreciate them offering it at a time when other forums are closing or only offering to subscribers

I like the principle of cosmos but never use it

I refuse to do that on pure principle

I don't mind getting just the samples and may pick up hazy days. I rarely use my maschine

I do understand you calling out the confusing pricing . I think i acknowledged that was annoying, but that happens sometimes with so many sales, promotions being offered by both developer and third parties. I welcome you to forum as well. Sone good people here.

I think we are so spoiled and own so many plugins and samples that anything less than giving away the farm seems like it's not a deal. This is not the "best" deal they have ever offered, but for someone that does not own these products it's not bad. Yes, value is somewhat hyperbole, but you said the key phrase referring to these often being discounted. Often is not always so posting the retail value is not a giant stretch on anything except the le products . I don't personally have need of this product, but I can see it being useful and a deal for a beginner.