Bapu Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Scott R. Garrigus said: There's a group list of alternative plug-ins here for people who already began moving away from them... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1--yRZdWro_d28LmYNvaWsVct7CR6Y_KAULFU8wZ4SEI/edit#gid=0 List? I doan need no stonkon' list. 🙂 Waves has come through for me and my little WUPpie. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reid Rosefelt Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Lionel said: Things are definitely NOT back to normal. They really betrayed our loyalty and trust. That's the issue. It's hard to get trust back. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott R. Garrigus Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, Bapu said: List? I doan need no stonkon' list. 🙂 Waves has come through for me and my little WUPpie. Ha ha... Yep, whatever works for you, right? 😉 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragi Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Gibson and, Waves two big player in a row.😉 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 They will probably give away some more plugins to make up for it. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Does kinda make you wonder, doesn't it? They must have expected some backlash but just not as overwhelming as it was. Their Facebook page was loaded to the hilt with negativity and just raw hatred. Maybe after things have calmed down who knows what they may try again. This whole thing makes me think back fondly to the days when you could just buy, install and run software and didn't have to be at the mercy of the vendor as to how you use it. I could understand them not wanting the piracy and copying but they have gotten to the point where they have gone too far with their control. This is a good example. 😀John B 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubdisciple Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I didn't WUP before this and remain unlikely to WUP 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balinas Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 The sudden announcement that Waves was going subscription really turned me off. Usually when this happens I move on to something else. Regardless of todays announcement I am definitely finished with buying anything new from them. I have been traumatized, and it would take at least one year of free WUP to get me to even look in their direction again. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicMan Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, balinas said: The sudden announcement that Waves was going subscription really turned me off. Usually when this happens I move on to something else. Regardless of todays announcement I am definitely finished with buying anything new from them. I have been traumatized, and it would take at least one year of free WUP to get me to even look in their direction again. 100%... I had been toying with the idea of upgrading to the Abbey Road Collection, but after their move I'm really glad I didn't spend more money with them.. Their next shafting is probably already being discussed and planned in their boardroom. I never have WUPd and would definitely recommend people don't immediately reward their customer hostile moves they've displayed through this whole fiasco. Let them stew and see what happens and encourage them to apologise with more than empty words. In short, don't buy and don't WUP and see what they bring to the table. Definitely check the alternates list as well. There's some better non Waves options in there 🙂 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapu Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 23 minutes ago, MusicMan said: There's some better non Waves options in there 🙂 There's always something better out there even for the better stuff. It's a mystery I tells ya. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapu Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 27 minutes ago, MusicMan said: In short, don't buy and don't WUP 🙂 I won't since I own it all. already. I don't have to because I boought one last discounted WUP (as a safety net) the day before the chit hit the fan. I'm WUP'd until 25 Jan 2025. Saul Goodman here. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Jones Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 What can replace something like Waves' Ovox? Not saying one way or the other that that program is earth-shattering, but what out there can replace it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fwrend Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 7 minutes ago, Christian Jones said: What can replace something like Waves' Ovox? Not saying one way or the other that that program is earth-shattering, but what out there can replace it? From the provided list/link above by Mr. Garrigus: Zynaptic Orange Vocoder; Devious Machines Pitchmonster; Polyverse Manipulator 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Christian Jones said: What can replace something like Waves' Ovox? Not saying one way or the other that that program is earth-shattering, but what out there can replace it? Have you looked at iZotope Vocalsynth? https://www.whippedcreamsounds.com/ovox-vs-izotope-vocalsynth-2-which-is-better/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grem Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Wow. When I found out that they were going subscription, I couldn't believe it. I mean the way it was done was chitty. Now this quick reversal is just as unbelievable. I still love my Abbey Road stuff. I still love all my Waves stuff. I just don't know what to think about this. Man... wtf just happen!!!? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 i suspect that their EULA (or contract the customer enters into with them) probably included some notification time-period if the contract was to change, in which case what they did was not only shitty but illegal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rasure Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 (edited) I did actually WUP a couple of days before, so I knew I was good for at least a year. I never had a problem with WUP, is it perfect? NO, needs to be looked at. I don't begrudge companies needing to pay staff to update software it takes time and resources, but paying over and over again for what you already have doesn't sit well, more so for those on Mac and all the updates needed of late for those people, most other companies offer these updates for free. Edited March 30, 2023 by rasure Spelling! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Blanc Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 14 hours ago, Reid Rosefelt said: That's the issue. It's hard to get trust back. They can't get back what they didn't have. Their perpetual sale tactics and their sprinkling of free plugins all over the place made me distrust their system. But for me, this whole thing was just a big 'meh'. I could see how other people were affected and that is shameful at least. But for me personally? Nothing. They have nothing I would really want (perhaps Clarity) and don't already have, I don't do WUP and my Windows machine pretty much ensures me I will never have to. So, come to think of it, I was already done with Waves haha. Nevermind. Carry on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnbee58 Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 12 hours ago, Christian Jones said: What can replace something like Waves' Ovox? Not saying one way or the other that that program is earth-shattering, but what out there can replace it? Izotope Vocalsynth is pretty close. I have version 1 but at this point haven't gone to 2 yet. https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VocalSynth2--izotope-vocalsynth-2-vocal-multi-effects-plug-in 😉John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleStudios Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 It's funny, they were able to switch there system over immediately, removing perpetual licenses and going subscription only. You blinked, and it was switched over. Their website was completely overhauled and Waves Central was updated as well. Now, for whatever reason, Waves can't seem to switch back as quickly. Their website still doesn't show prices for individual plugins and it's almost as if they're holding out, just a bit longer to see if anyone bites at the subscription. For example, someone new to plugins, who isn't up on all of what's been going on. They may have heard about Waves and will visit their site and see that they only offer subscription, and possibly buy into the subscription thinking that's how you get Waves plugins. Maybe a bit of a conspiracy, but I wouldn't put it past them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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