simon 2,965 Posted March 26 2 minutes ago, Luc said: Yeah, I had hoped to at least get updates to V15 when that does come out on plugins with WUP. Waves specifically say NO on the FAQ Quote I still have Waves Update Plan coverage on my products. Will I continue to receive updates? What happens when the coverage expires? You will continue to receive updates for V14 plugins for the duration of your current Waves Update Plan coverage. seems to me any WUP is now basically useless - so anybody already on v14 who WUPed has basically been ripped of IMO - Bapu doubly so ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubdisciple 664 Posted March 26 Glad I haven't WUPed . 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Technostica 294 Posted March 26 (edited) Presumably, WUP still gives you an extra license, so not completely wasted for those that bought it for that. Do they mention how many activations you get with the sub? I couldn't see any mention which I take as a bad sign. The only upside is that you can still sell your licences which still have WUP. I have a few , so after fees that might add up to a whopping $10, or a WUPing ten bucks. Edited March 26 by Technostica 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubdisciple 664 Posted March 26 On 3/25/2023 at 7:41 AM, Bapu said: I wonder how many anti-sub users have a Netflix, Amazon Prime, Apple TV+, Paramount+, Hulu etc account? 😉 Not even close to the same thing. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luc 176 Posted March 26 It's sort of weird because they mention that you'll have plugins up to the version when they launched the subscriptions so it seemed like it was over, with a Waves Update Plan or not. But I just got an e-mail from them that also says: What about plugin updates? Waves Creative Access keeps all your plugins updated, always. You will get all updates for the plugins in your subscription, at no extra cost: no need for the Waves Update Plan. However, If you still have a valid Waves Update Plan, you will continue to enjoy all its benefits until it expires. So maybe there's hope for a V15 update on plugins with a current WUP? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
locrian 1,066 Posted March 26 1 minute ago, Luc said: So maybe there's hope for a V15 update on plugins with a current WUP? Then again, given what Waves just did, there's incentive for them to hold-off the release of V15 until V14 WUP expires to induce us to subscribe to their new plan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
locrian 1,066 Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, Lionel said: Not very informative... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topaz 29 Posted March 26 If waves had a shred of decency they would update all existing users to the latest version. But let's be honest even most v14 didn't get HiDpi updates. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Martin H. 32 Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, Lionel said: Soon we'll be flooded with ''Sponsorshipped Youtubers'' ....... Praising the hell out of this drake of a Subscription...... To tells us this is the future, how it's pushing the boundaries, and helps us all going forward...... STEP UP YOUR GAME.... THIS IS THE FUTURE....THIS IS A DREAM COME TRUE.... YOU CAN FINALLY BE THE MUSICIAN YOU'LL ALWAYS WANTED TO BE...... IT'S FINALLY HERE! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spice3d 217 Posted March 26 Got the Waves email and immediately came here to witness the fallout. I wasn't disappointed. 😬👍 3 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
husker 1,395 Posted March 26 3 hours ago, PavlovsCat said: My guess is that Waves move to subscription only will be short lived, and hopefully, before our plugins stop working, they'll switch back to subscription and perpetual licenses. Non concur. In my almost 30 years as an IT professional, I have yet to see one company move to exclusive subscriptions, then move back to offer perpetual licenses. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Last Call 283 Posted March 26 (edited) I have lots and lots of plugins (including Softube, UAD, Fabfilter, IK Mult...ewww). Right now my favorite is.... OVERLOUD COMP LA I use it on every single track, on every type of track. Allows you to really hear what your track sounds like, so you can apply EQ if needed, and if needed, to do so properly. (I own the UAD and IK Multi...ewww versions too). UAD version is kind of harsh, Overloud's has more knobs for more tone sculpting and AMAZING saturation, and IKM's is just a toy. WAVES what? Edited March 26 by Last Call 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Doug Rintoul 1,641 Posted March 26 46 minutes ago, Technostica said: The only upside is that you can still sell your licences which still have WUP. But who is going to buy them? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fleer 10,801 Posted March 26 Some Codex leftovers: "3334E70EDE13490FB8D2F269DFDC8DFF" "F8DF6AA2417E4F918DA472605853A8E0" "E5A2325A74C548A29728ECDAA625B16C" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann 904 Posted March 26 The key question is - how big is the "Hobbyist market". Yes, in this forum it is big but seriously, let's get our heads outside the few websites and forums we frequent and ask again - how big is the market? It used to be the case that as a company you wanted to reach the hobbyist market because of their future influence on decision makers, but the young audio engineers of today have grown up subscribing to "services" like creative cloud, the various access service to college books, xbox, spotify, netflix. YES, I do get that netflix is different because I don't have "netflix projects" that may need to be revisited in the future but I'll I lose access to if I cancel. My point is that being used to subscriptions for whatever you do in your leisure time does lower the resistance to the idea of more subscriptions. And, let's be clear, if you're a kid who wants waves for mixing the music for your band, it's probably easier to convince your dad to pay for your $24 a month subscription than it is to get him to buy you a Mercury license. Look at the video, it's all young people, they're the target. The percentage of us who will subscribe is probably in the single-digit range. My guess is that killing the current hobbyist market is no big loss (for Waves) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barrie 373 Posted March 26 They could have at least had the decency to let us know about WUP. I'd been putting it off... and I recently got an M1 Mac, and was planning to WUP, but now cannot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fleer 10,801 Posted March 26 Found two more Codices: "556A8D83F0FF4CB486ABB254D6931440" "3CBEAE4CC1D74B0F8D2807F1587ACF2D" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lemar Sain 596 Posted March 26 WARNING!...Not sure if this has been posted yet but be careful testing out the sub or trial. Sub licenses will REPLACE your perpetual licenses . 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John1984 66 Posted March 26 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann said: The key question is - how big is the "Hobbyist market". Yes, in this forum it is big but seriously, let's get our heads outside the few websites and forums we frequent and ask again - how big is the market? ... The percentage of us who will subscribe is probably in the single-digit range. My guess is that killing the current hobbyist market is no big loss (for Waves) Interesting. I actually see this completely opposite as you do. I would say it's the hobbyist market that is driving most of this business these days. Real professionals -- not professionally-minded people, but people who earn their primary living in audio -- aren't likely to be the ones trying the 1,922nd version of an LA compressor. They'll settle on one, maybe two that satisfies their requirements for a particular sound and they learn that one or two like they would have a hardware piece of equipment; no time or appetite to bother with more than that. There aren't enough professionals in this world to support vendors. Hobbyists/collectors have different drivers to spend money. They will be happy acquiring the 1,922nd version. They won't typically pay $199, but a monthly subscription to PA (or, now, Waves) scratches the itch nicely. And there's nothing wrong with that! Were it not for the hobbyists/collectors, the market would not be as large as it is. The downside is vendors are quickly coming to the realization that in a world where people happily pay each month to sample Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, etc. they'll also pay to belly up to the feeding trough of 200+ plugins on PA. Edited March 26 by John1984 typos 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
