Toffo Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 6 hours ago, chris.r said: That's like removing all the other 15 grand pianos from a concert hall leaving just one! Huh.. Right, 1 piano in 1 concert hall is okay… but what about all the other pianos in all the other concert halls? Gotta have them too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Russ Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 5 hours ago, Starship Krupa said: See my quiz on "desert island" FX. I wrote out my list, then looked at it, all 15 of them, and asked myself why I have 20X that many. Yeah, some of those are one-of-a-kind sound design-y things from the likes of Glitchmachines, Freakshow Industries, and Unfiltered Audio, but the list in my "compressors" category is huge. Same here, although I don't think I've ever bought a compressor outside a bundle. Sonar comes with Blue Tubes bundle, cool! Joined IKM group buy to get Amplitube products, may as well go with TRacks components! Oh look, Komplete has kompressors too!  Cheaper to buy the bundle from Arturia than the one FX I want, guess I have even more compressors than I will actually use. I'm pretty much the same way with EQs for the same reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 4 hours ago, kitekrazy said: Those are the bloated ones if you have sample based REs. Mine are over 15gb and can't be moved since Reason is still in the dark ages where you can't separate the RE from the samples. Worse even, still not Apple Silicon native. I’m this close to writing them. Wut, wut, I just did. Luckily I didn’t jump for those sample based REs, but I did get 11 Suite (and 12) , which brought me some wonderful synths/instruments like Scenic, Algoritm, and particularly Friktion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Magic Russ said: Same here, although I don't think I've ever bought a compressor outside a bundle. Sonar comes with Blue Tubes bundle, cool! Joined IKM group buy to get Amplitube products, may as well go with TRacks components! Oh look, Komplete has kompressors too!  Cheaper to buy the bundle from Arturia than the one FX I want, guess I have even more compressors than I will actually use. I'm pretty much the same way with EQs for the same reasons. TBH, two of the best plug-in bundles around, especially on sale, are Arturia’s V Collection and FX Collection. Sheer sources of joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 13 hours ago, Starship Krupa said: the list in my "compressors" category is huge I scratch my head wondering how I ended up with so many compressors. And EQs... Assume that they are often freebies, or many different models of them are included in some plugin bundles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 9 hours ago, kitekrazy said: Most of them are in Komplete I still have about 30 products in Komplete that are NOT installed here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwal³ Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 it's like your wardrobe, if you haven't worn it for more than a year... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Russ Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, pwalpwal said: it's like your wardrobe, if you haven't worn it for more than a year... ..and you have to photoshop or discard all the pictures where you are wearing that old clothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, abacab said: I still have about 30 products in Komplete that are NOT installed here... List some of those. This would make a great separate thread. I think removed some of the drum libraries, a few pianos and strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris.r Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 11 hours ago, Toffo said: 18 hours ago, chris.r said: That's like removing all the other 15 grand pianos from a concert hall leaving just one! Huh.. Right, 1 piano in 1 concert hall is okay… but what about all the other pianos in all the other concert halls? Gotta have them too! I'm gonna keep all my 15 grands in my own hall  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 4 hours ago, kitekrazy said: List some of those. This would make a great separate thread. I think removed some of the drum libraries, a few pianos and strings. Easy. Omitted the NI drums (except for Battery), the pianos (except for Noire, Una Corda, & the Giant), the Scarbees, Retro Machines, and a few other miscellaneous titles. I think if I had bought Komplete much earlier before I had collected a bunch of other instruments, I would be less picky. I bought the crossgrade from Kontakt mainly to pickup the NI synths that I didn't have (Absynth, FM8, Massive, Massive X, Reaktor). The bonus was a few nice pianos and Battery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan o driscoll Posted December 23, 2022 Author Share Posted December 23, 2022 BTW for the record. I am not at all against the idea of buying plugs and instruments and this section + @cclarry is great for that and alerting of real nice stuff thats available at great prices. All I am on about here is CONSIDER what you are buying and will you use it. To eventually have a nice selection of decent plugs that get used regularly. Its similar to the idea of - for your next project decide on a small limited selection of plugs and just use those for a project, resist temptation to go off on 100s of others and end up getting nothing done, being overwhelmed. Also try an gather a select few decent plugs and LEARN them well. Surely this enhances productivity  2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulo Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 43 minutes ago, aidan o driscoll said: BTW for the record. I am not at all against the idea of buying plugs and instruments and this section + @cclarry is great for that and alerting of real nice stuff thats available at great prices. All I am on about here is CONSIDER what you are buying and will you use it. To eventually have a nice selection of decent plugs that get used regularly. Its similar to the idea of - for your next project decide on a small limited selection of plugs and just use those for a project, resist temptation to go off on 100s of others and end up getting nothing done, being overwhelmed. Also try an gather a select few decent plugs and LEARN them well. Surely this enhances productivity  Please stop talking sense. I'm trying to get a buzz going here. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I've numb to PA offerings.  Something worthy @ $29 just doesn't do it for me as you have to look from something of a lower price to add to use the voucher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan o driscoll Posted September 21, 2023 Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) Yes I have been a Loopcloud evangelist. I really like the concept and its integration into DAWs like cakewalk. I have been paying annual sub for it last few years, many of those years getting a reduced sub offer. However this year I got no email reminder my sub was up and it got renewed. I have sent a cancel sub / refund request. they are usually good with this stuff. No doubt they will offer a reduced sub BUT this time I wont be renewing at any price. Especially in the last year I have just not been using it at all and for the next year I cannot justify paying any amount for it for this reason. So another cull victim, but makes sense. Another reason is cost of living here in Ireland - generally getting very expensive here. I am noting even via biz that people have less disposable and are cutting things out and choosing what to spend on and what not to spend on. As an aside it is getting rather eye watering when you look at your DDs every month, the number of subs for various things going out across your software, TV, motor cars, comms etc really does add up to a large amount these days. Psychologically all relatively "small" amounts - but the €15 here, €30 there, €50 etc etc all does add up Edited September 21, 2023 by aidan o driscoll 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcL Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 16 minutes ago, aidan o driscoll said: Another reason is cost of living here in Ireland - generally getting very expensive here. Not only in Ireland, I think it is all over Europe! Definitely in Sweden, the value of the Swedish Crown has decreased a lot! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan o driscoll Posted September 21, 2023 Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MarcL said: Not only in Ireland, I think it is all over Europe! Definitely in Sweden, the value of the Swedish Crown has decreased a lot! Yip @MarcL .. here its also the huge cost hikes in energy - Electricity, Gas, Fuel for cars - we are nearly back at €2 per litre of petrol / diesel here in Ireland now ( went to this at start of war in Ukraine in feb 2022 ). Electricity, Gas has not really fallen yet here, its beginning - slowly. All this is driving food costs etc up through roof. House prices and rents are just gone crazy all together. So knock on is discretionary extra cash that was around is now diverted to above. Having impact on small biz also, especially if not in a essential biz Another side cost is the big push to EVs .. the new mortgage at the price of them. Money monthly being channeled into these also via likes of PCP ( Personal contract Plans ) .. 56k EV on PCP near €1000pm over 3 years with 5k deposit Edited September 21, 2023 by aidan o driscoll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicMan Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 46 minutes ago, aidan o driscoll said: Yes I have been a Loopcloud evangelist. I really like the concept and its integration into DAWs like cakewalk. I have been paying annual sub for it last few years, many of those years getting a reduced sub offer. However this year I got no email reminder my sub was up and it got renewed. I have sent a cancel sub / refund request. they are usually good with this stuff. No doubt they will offer a reduced sub BUT this time I wont be renewing at any price. Especially in the last year I have just not been using it at all and for the next year I cannot justify paying any amount for it for this reason. So another cull victim, but makes sense. Another reason is cost of living here in Ireland - generally getting very expensive here. I am noting even via biz that people have less disposable and are cutting things out and choosing what to spend on and what not to spend on. As an aside it is getting rather eye watering when you look at your DDs every month, the number of subs for various things going out across your software, TV, motor cars, comms etc really does add up to a large amount these days. Psychologically all relatively "small" amounts - but the €15 here, €30 there, €50 etc etc all does add up That is the risk with going subs and in particular cloud and creating your workflows around it. I actually think that the price for a LoopCloud sub is pretty reasonable to be fair. But they can increase that price massively any time and once you're locked in, it's harder to get out. They might also sell to one of the venture capitalists, etc and the new owners might double, or triple the yearly subscription price. I have occasionally subscribed to LoopCloud (the last time was for $2 a month or something!) but I always download what I want locally and never use any of their plugins/tools in my projects. I might use their plugin to preview and then I'll rip the samples out into their own track. For me, it's almost entirely for one shots and vocals. I use Atlas to search for samples on my drives and as a drum machine at times too. So at any stage, if I don't have a LoopCloud subscription, nothing really changes. I did have to pay for Algonaut Atlas, which wouldn't be required if I went all in with LoopCloud, but that was a one off.. and it's awesome! If I was to quit my job tomorrow and needed to watch my spend, music production wouldn't have to change in the slightest and I'm not reliant on a single subscription, so anything old should just open 🙂 Subscriptions are good for some people, but I prefer to not be reliant on them personally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan o driscoll Posted September 21, 2023 Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, MusicMan said: Subscriptions are good for some people, but I prefer to not be reliant on them personally. yeah @MusicMan, maybe. But year on year more and more software is going sub. The netflixisation of the software industry. I have no doubt Cakewalk next versions will be sub. In my small biz my MICROSOFT 365 ( Office ) is now sub. My biz accounts software is cloud/sub. My mileage software is cloud/sub. Even my accountant is pushing another cloud/sub thing to do with accounts on me. Yes its conventient but boy do these subs of all sorts add up. Just add your phone "sub", your Netflix, prime etc, your broadband, your sat tv maybe .. All this on top of Energy monthly bills, car costs etc, its becoming endless and very costly Re Loopcloud sub .. Im just not using it anymore so cannot justify it at any price .. one less sub to worry about Edited September 21, 2023 by aidan o driscoll 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aidan o driscoll Posted September 21, 2023 Author Share Posted September 21, 2023 Got my full LOOPCLOUD Refund - €109 and cancelled. As predicted got an offer email afterwards for 30% off .. nope 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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