Anxiousmofo Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Paul Young said: Pass. I got Medla's Soundfactory. No WUP, lifetime updates, install it on many machines as you want. No need for a DIY wannabee dongle. Love MSF but am curious what crossover you are seeing between that and this CR8 business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locrian Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 hours ago, PavlovsCat said: One thing is very clear, Waves has the largest army of influencers shilling for them of any dev I can think of. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 12 hours ago, Anxiousmofo said: Love MSF but am curious what crossover you are seeing between that and this CR8 business. You can create your own stuff. I haven't watched the full tutorials yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclarry Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 14 hours ago, Fleer said: I’m dreaming of a WUP-less cosmos. Well, Cosmos is FREE so so is the WUP....just FYI 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubdisciple Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 WUP is annoying but subscription model comparison is not quite right. Waves plugins work fine for years without paying WUP. I used RBass for 5 years without paying. Most subscription models stop working when you stop paying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 hours ago, cclarry said: Well, Cosmos is FREE so so is the WUP....just FYI My account says it’s valid until Feb 15, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclarry Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Fleer said: My account says it’s valid until Feb 15, 2023 Right...because the FREE WUP has to renew every year...just as it would if you had paid for it. Now...if they happen to attach a price to it in a few weeks, then what I'm saying if void, and there will be WUP on it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Not getting CR8 ‘cause that one needs WUP for sure. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclarry Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Fleer said: Not getting CR8 ‘cause that one needs WUP for sure. Fo' Sho'! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Fleer said: Not getting CR8 ‘cause that one needs WUP for sure. Don't you get WUP included free for the first year after a new purchase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 39 minutes ago, abacab said: Don't you get WUP included free for the first year after a new purchase? Yeah, but then they ***** you … 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclarry Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 39 minutes ago, abacab said: Don't you get WUP included free for the first year after a new purchase? Yes...but the renewal prices are INSANE! And now they charge for transfers too... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacab Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Who needs WUP? I use their plugins just fine as is, most of them expired. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reid Rosefelt Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I don't buy Waves plugins anymore--I just buy WUP. I can get plugins from lots of companies but only Waves sells WUP. 2 2 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cclarry Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 11 minutes ago, Reid Rosefelt said: I don't buy Waves plugins anymore--I just buy WUP. I can get plugins from lots of companies but only Waves sells WUP. WUP - der it is! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locrian Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, cclarry said: WUP - der it is! And they called it WUPpy love ... 😀 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 30 minutes ago, locrian said: And they called it WUPpy love ... 😀 Tell them all, please tell them it isn't fair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eusebio Rufian-Zilbermann Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 7 hours ago, cclarry said: FREE WUP has to renew every year In practical terms, Yes. However, people may inadvertently end up paying for it if they're not paying attention Example: 1) Add the free Soundgrid Studio to your account https://www.waves.com/mixers-racks/soundgrid-studio-emotion-st-8-ch 2) Let the 1-year wup expire 3) Get a quote for Wup'ping the Soundgrid Studio, and it's not free, it's $12 (or, if you are wup'ping other products and you forget to uncheck Soundgrid Studio, you will pay for something that you shouldn't need to) 4) Instead of Wup'ping it, "buy" another free copy instead, and you will get in your account both a license for the latest version, with 1-year free wup, and the old out-of-wup version. Activate your new copy and deactivate your old one and the end result is, in practical terms, the same as if you had Wup'ped the old one That's a quirk of the system but otherwise, I do think that getting a free year of wup and then longer wup as a choice, that's not particularly bad. PA, IK, etc charge for transfer fees. Steinberg, Presonus, iZotope, Native Instruments, Magix, etc. they all release yearly non-free upgrades. Wup is simply a (more confusing) variation on those models. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Troo. But it’s WUP. And WUP is unsavory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PavlovsCat Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) On 2/16/2022 at 11:01 AM, dubdisciple said: WUP is annoying but subscription model comparison is not quite right. Waves plugins work fine for years without paying WUP. I used RBass for 5 years without paying. Most subscription models stop working when you stop paying. I disagree. I never stated that Waves Update Plan is exactly the same as a subscription model, I wrote that, it is similar to a subscription plan, but the marketing is much less honest. Most plugin developers provide updates to plugins and support beyond one year at no additional cost, at worst, they do that until there is a major update. Your argument uses the fallacy of composition as a basis -- basically, you're protecting out your single data point to the world; basically, I got mine, I'm good. Consider that if you purchased a Waves plugin 366 days ago and it stopped working, you are on your own. You no longer have tech support, you no longer have updates, unless you pay for Waves Update Plan (WUP). Also consider if you want to install a Waves plugin on two machines. In order to do that you need to pay WUP -- and this is exactly a subscription model without using the name. In order to use your license on a second computer you must pay WUP each year of use. That is, let's say you buy CR8 and you purchase a WUP so that you can use it on two computers . One year from now you are required to pay for another year of WUP or the second installation will no longer work. To use your own words, "Most subscription models stop working when you stop paying." That is precisely what happens with the second license to install their plugin on a second computer when they purchase WUP. So if your plugins are still working, that's great for you right now. But if something happens where they stop working, you need to pay up and many Waves customers on Apple computers are familiar with that situation. Edited February 17, 2022 by PavlovsCat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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