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Long time CW user, but just bought a keyboard with a mod wheel and expression pedal. I understand that I can assign them to different effects/channels for each instrument, but I don't understand where/how I do that. The instruments are EastWest Play. Can someone point me to where I assign mod wheel and expression pedal settings?

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The way I do it is in Event List. Go to the very first note in the list, hit insert on your keyboard, which will create a duplicate of that note,  then change the type of event from note to controller. Put in 7 for volume, and set the value to 100. Then, with your cursor on that event, hit insert again, and this time change the CC7 to CC11. Put in 100 for the value.

The CC7 is for a starting value, or modwheel. some people use CC1 for this, it depends on the library. but I have found that 7 works in 90% of cases. The CC11 is for fine adjusting as needed on the fly.

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7 is a straight volume controller. Controller 11 in some cases will control the brightness as well as the volume.

Some vsts and vsti have a learn function on them so you can click on the knob or slider and a window will appear saying LEARN. Then you move the slider or knob or foot control on your keyboard and the vst feature should respond.

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22 hours ago, mdiemer said:

The way I do it is in Event List. Go to the very first note in the list, hit insert on your keyboard, which will create a duplicate of that note,  then change the type of event from note to controller. Put in 7 for volume, and set the value to 100. Then, with your cursor on that event, hit insert again, and this time change the CC7 to CC11. Put in 100 for the value.

The CC7 is for a starting value, or modwheel. some people use CC1 for this, it depends on the library. but I have found that 7 works in 90% of cases. The CC11 is for fine adjusting as needed on the fly.

Thanks! But that doesn't work. Under the Data column in Event list, it wants a number. When I record with the actual wheel, that column says "Modulation", which I can't enter by hand.

There HAS to be a more elegant way of doing this. Even if I got that method to work, it's the same as the keyswitch problem, where I can't start playback at the start of the measure because it's preceded by a needed wheel event. 

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UPDATE: I the EastWest forums someone set us straight. In Preferences > MIDI, simply uncheck "Zero Controllers When Play Stops" and "MIDI Event Chase on Play" and CW will no longer require a CC reset every time.

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Yep, that is such a frequent problem that I wonder why it's not that way by default.

You actually can change the number in event list by clicking on it (or hitting enter when it's highlighted), and put in the number you want. You also can change the type of event the same way. Change a note event to a controller event, for example. That's why I had you duplicating a note event, so you can then change the duplicated note event to a CC event. then you have a CC event before the note or series of notes you want to be affected by it.

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On 5/14/2019 at 10:07 AM, mdiemer said:

The way I do it is in Event List. Go to the very first note in the list, hit insert on your keyboard, which will create a duplicate of that note,  then change the type of event from note to controller. Put in 7 for volume, and set the value to 100. Then, with your cursor on that event, hit insert again, and this time change the CC7 to CC11. Put in 100 for the value.

The CC7 is for a starting value, or modwheel. some people use CC1 for this, it depends on the library. but I have found that 7 works in 90% of cases. The CC11 is for fine adjusting as needed on the fly.

Ok - I now have a controller event.  Where do you change the volume to 7 and "the value" to 100, please?  Also: is this viable for live performance?  I'm trying to get the expression pedal to control leslie speed in a Hammond vst  while I'm playing.  Sometimes I just run out of hands!

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On 5/14/2019 at 10:37 AM, jkoseattle said:

Long time CW user, but just bought a keyboard with a mod wheel and expression pedal. I understand that I can assign them to different effects/channels for each instrument, but I don't understand where/how I do that. The instruments are EastWest Play. Can someone point me to where I assign mod wheel and expression pedal settings?

You’ll want to assign what the pedals are sending via your keyboard first. Sure, you can reassign but if you always want CC11 for expression from the pedal and CC1 for mod from the wheel then  it’s best to do it at the source for consistency.  Most companies use standard CCs so you don’t ‘have to’ use s learn functions or  saving the odd or unassigned CCs for the things like all the other things you can use it for like delay feedback or hall level. You don’t want to loose functionality of one thing to gain another. 

I have multiple controller patches saved in the Master Keyboard which I change to match the setup. VSL, NI, EW.

In East West you just load your patch and then right click any knob or fader and hit midi learn and then wiggle your midi controller. It will then learn whatever CC you previously told your keyboard to send when receiving your pedal or mod input.

 You didn’t mention what the keyboard is. 

Hope that helps! If not, type more. 😀

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40 minutes ago, devonaire45 said:

Ok - I now have a controller event.  Where do you change the volume to 7 and "the value" to 100, please?  Also: is this viable for live performance?  I'm trying to get the expression pedal to control leslie speed in a Hammond vst  while I'm playing.  Sometimes I just run out of hands!

You should be using expression to control the swell (volume) of the organ and instead use Mod for the leslie.  I have a pedal in my live setup for Leslie control via Mod CC1.  Also use it to soften the horns while on my piano/string/horns patch.  Separate pedal for expression, then using sliders to attenuate volume CC7separate of the Expression pedal CC11.

No wrong way but some ways can help the flow.

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Thanks for the response.  I'd still rather use the expression pedal to control the leslie.  If someone could clarify the points in my first post, I'd appreciate it.

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1 hour ago, devonaire45 said:

Thanks for the response.  I'd still rather use the expression pedal to control the leslie.  If someone could clarify the points in my first post, I'd appreciate it.

You can assign your expression pedal to send any CC you want via your keyboard. CC11 expression, CC1 Mod, CC7 Vol, etc

I didn’t mean to sound like you shouldn't use the expression pedal to control the leslie. I meant for you to not use the CC11 as you may want to use that for swell, assigning your expression pedal to say CC1.  Again there’s no wrong way. Plenty of freely assignable CCs to go around.

Whatever CC you use you can assign in your Hammond VST. Which Hammond VST are you using?

Also, what model keyboard are you using?

In my live rig I have one Expression pedal for CC11 (expression) and another Expression pedal for the Leslie control (via CC1).

At home I have 3 Hammond Organs. I added a toe switch (still can use the half moon switch as well) to my 57 B3 for those moments I don’t wanna let go. 😀

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