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Now that the Bakers added nested folders I think the only major need  for me would  be a chord track.    Staff view I have come to terms with.

Thanks Cakewalk for really concentrating on the behind the scenes improvements.

 

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Hello,

Thanks for this update! I just found out that when I empty a plugin category by moving all its plugins to another category, the category subsists, and there's no way to remove the category from the list.

As you can see from the attached screenshots, the categories in my list is growing (even the old, unused ones, and those with typo are still there), and choosing a category for my new plugins is becoming a bit more confusing.

Sorry if this is unrelated to the update. I just think it's good to address this in this update since it introduces organizing features.

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5 hours ago, Ron Mendoza said:

Hello,

Thanks for this update! I just found out that when I empty a plugin category by moving all its plugins to another category, the category subsists, and there's no way to remove the category from the list.

As you can see from the attached screenshots, the categories in my list is growing (even the old, unused ones, and those with typo are still there), and choosing a category for my new plugins is becoming a bit more confusing.

Sorry if this is unrelated to the update. I just think it's good to address this in this update since it introduces organizing features.

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From your post I stopped about the Menus functionalities and noticed that the Sorting operations by Category, Manufacturer and Type are not reflected if we have a custom Menu in use, but on the plugins as a whole.

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I use a Custom Menu called Milton, but when using the Sorting options, instead of being reflected in this Menu, they are reflected on all Plugins.

 

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I believe it would be better if these orderings are reflected in the Custom Menu we are using.

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I think these questions are old, but as we are in an evolution of usability then maybe it is time for these assessments.

 

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On 12/3/2021 at 4:30 PM, Lord Tim said:

Nested folders! 😲 At last!

Are we sure this isn't a really late April Fools joke from the Bakers? 

Bakers I have been really good not naughty this year and these nested folders would be a nice Christmas Present ;)

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When saving a template that has main folders color coded, the color is not reloaded properly when saving and reloading the template. The left portion of the track folder is not highlighted.

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On 12/4/2021 at 11:35 AM, Milton Sica said:

My exports continue to close the application. The wav is generated, but the application closes.

Something is crashing when you're exporting then. Can you try setting the ExceptionHandlingSeverity to 7 in the Initialization File section of the Preferences and see if you can capture a dump file for when it crashes? 

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1 minute ago, Jonathan Sasor said:

Something is crashing when you're exporting then. Can you try setting the ExceptionHandlingSeverity to 7 in the Initialization File section of the Preferences and see if you can capture a dump file for when it crashes? 

Hello.
I have done this parameterization, but no dump file is generated.

The application closes in complete silence.

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1 minute ago, Milton Sica said:

Hello.
I have done this parameterization, but no dump file is generated.

The application closes in complete silence.

Does this happen in every project? For example, if you create a new project, import an audio file, then export just that, does the app shut down?

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2 minutes ago, Jonathan Sasor said:

Does this happen in every project? For example, if you create a new project, import an audio file, then export just that, does the app shut down?

Hello.
I will take this test and return the information to you.

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I was having problems with version 2021.11.018, when I loaded some project, the DAW just closed, I tried everything, I checked for problems with some plugins and nothing fixed. I formatted my computer and nothing solved, but when I installed version 2021.09.145, the issue has been resolved. There was some problem with the 2021.11.018 full installer so I will test the 2021.12 version but I will keep the 2021.09 installer just in case.

It would be interesting to test the full installer on some newly formatted PC, when updating the software it overwrites the already installed software or when uninstalling and re-installing the remnants of the previous installation remain in the registry.

When you format the PC, everything is clean, and when doing a clean install, if there is any problem it will show up, as it happened to me when I formatted my computer and did a clean install with the full installer, the problem then appeared when trying to open my projects in version 2021.11, I could only reopen my projects by installing version 2021.09.

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22 minutes ago, Herbert Miron said:

I was having problems with version 2021.11.018, when I loaded some project, the DAW just closed, I tried everything, I checked for problems with some plugins and nothing fixed. I formatted my computer and nothing solved, but when I installed version 2021.09.145, the issue has been resolved. There was some problem with the 2021.11.018 full installer so I will test the 2021.12 version but I will keep the 2021.09 installer just in case.

It would be interesting to test the full installer on some newly formatted PC, when updating the software it overwrites the already installed software or when uninstalling and re-installing the remnants of the previous installation remain in the registry.

When you format the PC, everything is clean, and when doing a clean install, if there is any problem it will show up, as it happened to me when I formatted my computer and did a clean install with the full installer, the problem then appeared when trying to open my projects in version 2021.11, I could only reopen my projects by installing version 2021.09.

If you have a project that fails to open correctly, please send us a copy of it and we can investigate on our end.

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On 12/5/2021 at 11:34 AM, Milton Sica said:

 

From your post I stopped about the Menus functionalities and noticed that the Sorting operations by Category, Manufacturer and Type are not reflected if we have a custom Menu in use, but on the plugins as a whole.

image.png.8e427e80aa6e3f8fbbbd80cda931ca4f.png

I use a Custom Menu called Milton, but when using the Sorting options, instead of being reflected in this Menu, they are reflected on all Plugins.

 

image.png.75973646c92632a5b154de4f51a60654.png

I believe it would be better if these orderings are reflected in the Custom Menu we are using.

image.png.dae6bd4992711081a20897479f5debb2.png

I think these questions are old, but as we are in an evolution of usability then maybe it is time for these assessments.

 

This isn't ER related, but it works as expected: the custom menu you've made is exactly that, custom.  The others are essentially "shortcuts" to orderings that may be of general use.  There's no (obvious) way that the two can be merged as you are effectively already assigning a category when you create a custom menu.

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4 minutes ago, Kevin Perry said:

This isn't ER related, but it works as expected: the custom menu you've made is exactly that, custom.  The others are essentially "shortcuts" to orderings that may be of general use.  There's no (obvious) way that the two can be merged as you are effectively already assigning a category when you create a custom menu.

Thank you for your feedback, but I don't think you understand my point.

I understand that the options are shortcut, but should work on the Custom Menu when there is one configured for use by the user.

This is my best usability opinion.

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42 minutes ago, Jonathan Sasor said:

If you have a project that fails to open correctly, please send us a copy of it and we can investigate on our end.

I had sent a copy of one of my projects to you and Mark, I tried every possible option, including formatting my computer and not installing any of the plugins, so that it would open the missing plugins window, and not even this window opened, the DAW simply closed.

I installed all the recommended redistributables, and nothing worked. So, to clear my doubts, I asked Mark to send the installer for version 2021.09.145, and bingo, my projects reopened normally. The problem in my case was the full installer of version 2021.11, when installing on the newly formatted computer, I wasn't accepting to open my projects saved in previous versions.

I will continue using version 2021.09.145, until the official release of 2021.12, then I will try to do a clean install of the new version.

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24 minutes ago, Milton Sica said:

Thank you for your feedback, but I don't think you understand my point.

I understand that the options are shortcut, but should work on the Custom Menu when there is one configured for use by the user.

This is my best usability opinion.

As I tried to explain, that doesn't make "logical" (from a data point of view) sense.  You are defining the menu structure when you make a custom one, so applying a different ordering is contradictory.

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4 minutes ago, Kevin Perry said:

As I tried to explain, that doesn't make "logical" (from a data point of view) sense.  You are defining the menu structure when you make a custom one, so applying a different ordering is contradictory.

Thanks for the feedback.
I understood your view, but in my view I think it should act like this:

1) Is the user using a Custom Menu?
2) Yes! Then run these filters on the Custom Menu.
3) No! So run these filters on plugins in general.

It's a matter of the "Business Rule" of the application.

In my way of perceiving usability, I think it should be that way. If not, let's follow what is parameterized.

As I said, it's just a suggestion from my point of view.
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2 hours ago, Jonathan Sasor said:

Something is crashing when you're exporting then. Can you try setting the ExceptionHandlingSeverity to 7 in the Initialization File section of the Preferences and see if you can capture a dump file for when it crashes? 

 

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50 minutes ago, Herbert Miron said:

I had sent a copy of one of my projects to you and Mark, I tried every possible option, including formatting my computer and not installing any of the plugins, so that it would open the missing plugins window, and not even this window opened, the DAW simply closed.

I installed all the recommended redistributables, and nothing worked. So, to clear my doubts, I asked Mark to send the installer for version 2021.09.145, and bingo, my projects reopened normally. The problem in my case was the full installer of version 2021.11, when installing on the newly formatted computer, I wasn't accepting to open my projects saved in previous versions.

I will continue using version 2021.09.145, until the official release of 2021.12, then I will try to do a clean install of the new version.

Apologies, I end up looking at a bunch of projects and it slipped my mind. It did open fine for me in the latest versions, I'm not sure why it would be have any differently in 2021.09 vs 2021.11/12 as there weren't any dramatic changes that would have necessarily impacted that. 

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