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I need ASIO4ALL

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I had a really nice system set up and now I can't get it to work because asio4all is now all of a sudden incompatible? I'm not seeing any of the other asio's on my computer although like '4all' they are software driven not hardware. I have a Roland FA 07 hooked up and that's the only thing it sees. I can't even play back audio files from cakewalk anymore. I't sees it the meters move but no sound. Very frustrated with this new set up. Anyone got any solutions?

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What audio interface do you have?

ASIO4ALL is totally unnecessary. It is nothing but a wrapper that fools your host into thinking that the WDM driver is an ASIO one. 

WASAPI has replaced WDM as a much superior native Windows driver and is a much better choice than that redundant ASIO4ALL garbage.

The real solution is to use a proper ASIO interface with proper ASIO drivers.

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4 hours ago, bdickens said:

What audio interface do you have?

ASIO4ALL is totally unnecessary. It is nothing but a wrapper that fools your host into thinking that the WDM driver is an ASIO one. 

WASAPI has replaced WDM as a much superior native Windows driver and is a much better choice than that redundant ASIO4ALL garbage.

The real solution is to use a proper ASIO interface with proper ASIO drivers.

so much anger!

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7 hours ago, Steven Lewis said:

Very frustrated with this new set up. Anyone got any solutions?

Yes - you need a dedicated audio interface if you  don't have one. If you have one then you need the proper drivers for it instead of Asio4All.

( make sure it doesn't use Asio4All as it's driver like the Behringer UMC22 )

 

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@Steven Lewis - if you really need to use ASIO4ALL, just hit No at the warning prompt and it'll use it and not bother you again.

ASIO4ALL was being used by new users despite having a native ASIO driver installed. As ASIO4ALL is simply a wrapper for the WDM drivers, this was leading to sub-optimal performance. In most cases WASAPI will perform far better, or better still, use the native ASIO driver if there is one.

If you've a very old audio interface, or you're using an advanced configuration for streaming, there might be a legitimate reason for using ASIO4ALL. In this case, just hit No at the warning prompt.

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it's perfectly possible to make music using budget gear, even the onboard realtek chip, get a grip!

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2 hours ago, msmcleod said:

@Steven Lewis - if you really need to use ASIO4ALL, just hit No at the warning prompt and it'll use it and not bother you again.

ASIO4ALL was being used by new users despite having a native ASIO driver installed. As ASIO4ALL is simply a wrapper for the WDM drivers, this was leading to sub-optimal performance. In most cases WASAPI will perform far better, or better still, use the native ASIO driver if there is one.

If you've a very old audio interface, or you're using an advanced configuration for streaming, there might be a legitimate reason for using ASIO4ALL. In this case, just hit No at the warning prompt.

Hi. I found your comment interesting, as it configures itself in my structure. I have an old US 600 Tascam that has its own drivers.

However, I can't change its samples/buffers parameters through the app itself. Only with ASIO4ALL could I get good results.

Could you detail your vision on this topic (ASIO4ALL X OLD INTERFACE) ?

Thanks.

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2 hours ago, pwalpwal said:

it's perfectly possible to make music using budget gear, even the onboard realtek chip, get a grip!

It's possible to mow 2+ acres with a push mower too....

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2 minutes ago, bdickens said:

It's possible to mow 2+ acres with a push mower too....

it doesn't take any longer with budget gear, bad analogy

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4 hours ago, pwalpwal said:

it's perfectly possible to make music using budget gear, even the onboard realtek chip, get a grip!

+1 to this.

Look at Andrew Scheps - he does some mixes in a hotel room, with his headphones plugged into his macbook using it's onboard device. If you're just mixing, and not recording anything, there's absolutely no reason why you can't use an onboard Realtek device.

If you just use VSTi's to make music then there's no reason why you can't use an onboard Realtek device.

In theory, there's shouldn't be anything stopping you recording audio with a Realtek device either... it's just that most motherboard manufacturers have done absolutely nothing to shield the audio signal path from the input to the Realtek chip, meaning you get loads of interference.  This is not Realtek's fault - it's the fault of the motherboard manufacturer.

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It's possible to make music on a Windows 98 laptop with Cakewalk pro Audio 9 too. Or a four-track cassette deck. That doesn't make it desirable.

Why not spend $100 or so, make it easy on yourself and instantly solve 99% of one's audio issues in the meantime?

Oh, and by the way $100 two in two out interface with a real asio driver is "budget gear."

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1 hour ago, msmcleod said:

Look at Andrew Scheps - he does some mixes in a hotel room, with his headphones plugged into his macbook using it's onboard device.

Yeah much better when the OS uses Core Audio unlike Windows.  Back in the day I mixed on the go with an Echo Indigo PCMCIA card ..circa 2003 /  4 

Asio drivers were great as was the audio quailty 

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3 hours ago, msmcleod said:

Look at Andrew Scheps

The man who bought us Death Magnetic.

3 hours ago, msmcleod said:

he does some mixes in a hotel room, with his headphones plugged into his macbook using it's onboard device.

I betcha he didn't record  the tracks that way.

Notwithstanding the fact that - as much as I dislike Apple - I gotta admit that Core Audio is superior to Windows' native drivers. Certainly much better than WDM inside a buggy wrapper.

Anyway, this has gotten way off track. The OP says "I need ASIO4ALL" but without telling us anything about his

17 hours ago, Steven Lewis said:

really nice system

one can only guess as to why he thinks this.

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12 hours ago, pwalpwal said:

so much anger!

+1 No need for it - everyone has different ways of working. I have never needed an audio interface - if I was going to be recording live instruments I would have bought one. Everyone has different requirements. I used ASIO4All for years with no problems - I've now switched to WASAPI. Most people here are friendly and supportive when responding to people's queries and concerns rather than being antagonistic - lets keep it that way please

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I don't see how anything in my post connotes anger or antagonism. Its just the straight, unadulterated truth. If you choose to get upset because don't want to hear it, I can't help that.

I say what I say because I've been down that road. My advice is not geared towards " making things work" with kludges, workarounds and half measures. Nor is it geared towards massaging people's feelings and encouraging them to continue suboptimal solutions. It's geared towards making things easy. 

I don't like banging my head on the wall and tearing my hair out.

When I put together my current system a number of years ago, one of the things I did was buy a proper audio interface with a proper ASIO driver. And set it up FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE MANUFACTURER'S DOCUMENTATION.

How many posts from me (or others like me) have you seen about "no sound," crackles, latency, sync issues, etc?
EXACTLY!

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Fair enough - I  know your answers have been very helpful often but I don't think you have quite got the fact that we are all working within different constraints and at different investment justifications. eg I am a hobbyist - I like writing orchestral music and folk stuff using VI's and don't see any need to spend £100 on an external device - ASIO4 All has worked for me for many years - I don't really need someone saying it is 'garbage' - nothing wrong with pointing out its imitations (of which there are many if you are recording live) but it has done it's job and let me get almost latency free performance out of my on board audio for years. WASAPI seems to work ok now so maybe it is redundant but over the years  ASIO4 All  has worked for those of us doing stuff 'in the box' . People come here for help - I've had great advice from this forum many times. Lets go easy on them - even if they haven't RTFM. And maybe stop using the rather aggressive capitals (except in acronyms) 🙂

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I set up my Roland FA 07 which came with it's own asio driver. It works as it should in sorar X3 but not in bandlab? I did get focusrite for my lab top but haven't set it up on the desktop yet

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4 hours ago, slartabartfast said:

Just tried this not sure if it was me playing around in the settings or not but it is working now thanks. The mention to say no and go with asio4all anyway just crashes the program makes it very unstable...btw

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99% of the time that people say they have no sound is due to the master buss grabbing the wrong outputs from the device list. 

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