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1 hour ago, chimkin2 said:

Yes I have to export the contents of each Folder as a stereo mix with all downstream FX  ( i.e. to send to the mastering engineer who can do a better job with 5-6 stems than one stereo file  )

Routing them to a group bus is not always an option because sometimes the bus FX is not suitable for every track within the stem. i.e. a Drum bus with heavy compression is great for kick - snare - room - overheads....but it can destroy the sound of the cymbals. So cymbals are often routed straight to the Master bus but are still part of the Drums stem.   

Folders group things together perfectly with flexible routing so being able to pick them to export would be a huge workflow advantage.

Thanks for explaining. Even with how you are setting it up, wouldn't it make sense to route all your cymbal tracks to a Cymbals-aux which then goes to the Master?
Then use the new "Tracks Through Entire Mix" source category and pick the Cymbals-aux. This will export a stereo mix of just the cymbals.

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4 minutes ago, Promidi said:

I rechecked the version of String-Studio VS-3 I was using when this issue occurred. It was actually the VST3 vsti of that plugin.

To me this means the plugin is ignoring the sample accurate automation timestamps being sent to it and only using the value at the buffer start. 
Please contact the plugin developer to fix it. Cakewalk sends the plugin explicit intra-buffer timestamped values.

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2 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

You have noticed that the MP3 and Windows Media audio settings now have a checkbox to use the same settings for all output files?

Sorry Noel...

 

No, I didn't see that. I rarely use wma files currently. I didn't notice anything new in the mp3 dialog but I've missed things before...

I must say though. I just finished doing my quickie mastering on 6 songs of same project and I found a rhythm. I did rip through that work quickly and easily, so this is helping for sure.

 

Thanks again!

 

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Ok.. I like this export feature it works out nice. I do get an error when I try to do Track Through Entire Mix. i am only using to tracks that are 8 bars each when I do the regular Tracks It works fine and exports correctly but when I put it on Tracks Through Entire Mix I get an error not sure what Im missing.. the tracks/Buses in Project side has the tracks selected and none of the other options have an option for check marks. I add to queue then run task and get an error every time. Not sure what Im missing to get that export to work. I have a gif that I made to show what im doing  I think its just me but who knows. Please let me know thanks Bakers

 

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1 hour ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Thanks for explaining. Even with how you are setting it up, wouldn't it make sense to route all your cymbal tracks to a Cymbals-aux which then goes to the Master?
Then use the new "Tracks Through Entire Mix" source category and pick the Cymbals-aux. This will export a stereo mix of just the cymbals.

Sorry if I am bad at explaining Noel - I do appreciate your patience ! ☺️

I don't need the cymbals on their own  -  what I need to deliver to the Mastering Guy is all the drum kit elements in a single stereo file, but for mixing purposes I need to route the cymbals to a different bus from the Kick-Snare-Toms tracks  - so I group them all together by using the folder as a container. 

The Drum Bus has compression , EQ and parallel saturation processing on it ( which I do not want on my claps or cymbals )

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Currently I can solo the Drums Folder and I get exactly what I need for the export.  The entire drum kit in a stereo file with all downstream  FX regardless of bus routing. Here is an example Drum Folder - the Claps and Ride cymbals are routed differently even though they make up part of the overall Drum sound.

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All I am really asking is if it's possible to add Folders as one of the sources to the What to Export options so it could be selected instead of the traditional way which is this

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I hope this make sense Noel and Team ! ☺️

PS- Here is what had to be exported / delivered

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( My own master for reference purposes )

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24 minutes ago, Xel Ohh said:

Ok.. I like this export feature it works out nice. I do get an error when I try to do Track Through Entire Mix. i am only using to tracks that are 8 bars each when I do the regular Tracks It works fine and exports correctly but when I put it on Tracks Through Entire Mix I get an error not sure what Im missing.. the tracks/Buses in Project side has the tracks selected and none of the other options have an option for check marks. I add to queue then run task and get an error every time. Not sure what Im missing to get that export to work. I have a gif that I made to show what im doing  I think its just me but who knows. Please let me know thanks Bakers

 

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@Xel Ohh thats weird. So you don't get any error popup or anything? It seems like export is running into an error.
If you do the operation without creating a task queue (i.e. just export) do you still get an error and if so what is the message?

Could you please PM me a link to any project file that can repro the problem? (with the audio zipped)
I'm sure its something simple to fix once we can get a repro.

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15 minutes ago, chimkin2 said:

All I am really asking is if it's possible to add Folders as one of the sources to the What to Export options so it cold be selected instead of the traditional way which is this

I understand what you are asking for but it seems unnecessary from what I understand, because you can do that today. 
Imagine if all the tracks within each folder were routed to output to an aux track within the folder (named the same as the folder name).
Now if you export each aux track independently using "Tracks Through Entire Mix" this should give you functionally what you are asking for. Can you try it?

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9 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

I understand what you are asking for but it seems unnecessary from what I understand, because you can do that today. 
Imagine if all the tracks within each folder were routed to output to an aux track within the folder (named the same as the folder name).
Now if you export each aux track independently using "Tracks Through Entire Mix" this should give you functionally what you are asking for. Can you try it?

Thank you Noel ☺️

I am happy that you understand the question now , I must confess I never used Aux Tracks before in my decades with Cakewalk !  I am not sure I ever really understood the purpose of them but you have given me a reason to try and understand them again as I had dismissed them previously.

Many thanks - I will try this on my current mix this weekend ! 

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7 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

@Xel Ohh thats weird. So you don't get any error popup or anything? It seems like export is running into an error.
If you do the operation without creating a task queue (i.e. just export) do you still get an error and if so what is the message?

Could you please PM me a link to any project file that can repro the problem? (with the audio zipped)
I'm sure its something simple to fix once we can get a repro.

If I hit export and not have any task it will work. It just doesnt work with Tracks Through Entire Mix when I hit add Task to Queue and run Task thats when it fails with no error message any project I bring up it does that error if I run task for Track Through Entire Mix.. If I just do Tracks in what to export section that will work and not give the error message. Is the Track Through Entire Mix for something else that Im missing or should it still work?

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28 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Can you try it?

I just watched the Aux Tracks Tutorial on Cake TV - I am unsure if I have routed something wrong but when I created an Aux Track for everything within the Drums Folder, upon playback they clipped the Aux Track.  But nothing is clipping within the normal mix ?  

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1 hour ago, Xel Ohh said:

If I hit export and not have any task it will work. It just doesnt work with Tracks Through Entire Mix when I hit add Task to Queue and run Task thats when it fails with no error message any project I bring up it does that error if I run task for Track Through Entire Mix.. If I just do Tracks in what to export section that will work and not give the error message. Is the Track Through Entire Mix for something else that Im missing or should it still work?

@Xel OhhOoh, I can reproduce it. We'll investigate and fix it. Thanks for the report.

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42 minutes ago, chimkin2 said:

I just watched the Aux Tracks Tutorial on Cake TV - I am unsure if I have routed something wrong but when I created an Aux Track for everything within the Drums Folder, upon playback they clipped the Aux Track.  But nothing is clipping within the normal mix ?  

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That means that the sum of all drum tracks is +3.2 dB. Since this is a submix in itself this isn't an issue since as long as you have gain reduction on the master it wont clip. It does mean that the input to the drum bus is too hot.

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Another great update. This makes rendering stems so much easier within the export windows.

We've asked for names to follow clips and tracks on export and you went beyond what was asked, by adding all required copyright tags needed from within the DAW all from one window.

 

Great Job! 

Thanks Team. 

Everything works as it should my side. I went through every section from Filename and location right down to Task Queue.

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25 minutes ago, Noel Borthwick said:

That means that the sum of all drum tracks is +3.2 dB. Since this is a submix in itself this isn't an issue since as long as you have gain reduction on the master it wont clip. It does mean that the input to the drum bus is too hot.

There isn't anything going into the red on the rest of the project but some of the drum tracks are routed to buses with a -8db gain so I don't know if that's the cause ? 

I decided to stay up late and try this now on a previous project ☺️...a few thoughts if I may ? 

Thought one - I am very impressed overall by the new Export Options it seems incredibly well thought out, congrats to the team

Thought two   - Default Export Screen was too small for my monitor, It would be nice to be able to maximise with one click  - It's good that its remember the previous size you stretched it to however if you open it - resize - then close it before running the export I think it will revert to it's previous state.

 Thought three - I had to deselect an awful lots of other tracks to leave my Aux track selected  - is it possible to have a ' select all / none ' option ?  I did discovered the shift-click trick but it was still a lot of tracks to scroll down to get to the end  of the list.

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Thought 4 - I love the " open Export Location Toast " ..Bravo ! ☺️

Thought 5 - After comparing the two Drum Stems using both methods I somehow ended up with a quite different sounding mix using the Aux track method.  I have screenshotted from a stereo editor side by side so you can see,  the upper Wav is using the Aux track and the lower one is the old fashioned method of soloing the Folder.  

I am not sure quite why the difference occurred, I have an inkling it may be to do with my ( admittedly complex ) bus routing and the Aux track is not following the same routing at some point.  I don't believe it's the program - it's probably me ! 

Suffice to say I think doing it the Aux Track way adds too much complexity to what is a very elegant way to export a stem and  I feel the existing method is a much quicker and simpler workflow ( simply solo the folder and export the mix )  and I have more confidence that the resulting file will be what I expect.

Whilst it would be a " nice to have " to be able to select  Folders in the new Export Screen if it's not possible I will stick to the tried and trusted thanks    

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32 minutes ago, chimkin2 said:

 Thought three - I had to deselect an awful lots of other tracks to leave my Aux track selected  - is it possible to have a ' select all / none ' option ?  I did discovered the shift-click trick but it was still a lot of tracks to scroll down to get to the end  of the list.

You can select all by pressing CTRL-A in the list and then pressing space bar to toggle values. There is a small bug there where the first time you have to use the mouse to toggle a track. 
Not sure why you had different gainstaging with the aux approach. Without seeing your project its hard to say.
I suggested aux tracks because ultimately we may make folders behave like a built in aux. So adding specific folder functionality seems redundant.

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Hi, this is an awesome update, thanks to the Bakers! 
One thing I liked is the Selection Module following SMPTE improvement / fix!

Also, I've noticed Tempo Track's Offset Tempo Map dialog box  it's buggy on 2021.09 Early Acess. It's got a dark color backgroud and it's hard to read words like BPM and .

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This grey'ish-white color kind of mess with your eyes or its the brightness of the new blue highlighter thats popping out the white background more - this never used to happen before. Can also be because I was swapping between the Soft Synth black menu and the Audio FX regular window a few times.

My eyes feel kinda blurry right now and I've got excellent vision. 

Yep! I'm definitely going to have to move away from this for a few seconds.

 

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In this very exciting update, have you Bakers considered and/or improved the scenario of bouncing (and exporting) tracks that use plugins with side-chains fed from other tracks?

When archiving and future-proofing projects, it is something I constantly have to deal with and it is a bit awkward currently. If it could be streamlined a little, I would be most grateful. 😀

A fantastic update, great job!

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I'm excited about the new export features--as a composer who has music in music libraries for sync placements, I need to export stems and cut down mixes, etc. This new update looks like it will streamline the process tremendously--and the tags/filenames will also help keep them properly labeled and sorted, both for myself and my music library. Also, for projects I produce for others this will be fabulous. Kudos to the Cakewalk bakers, this time you have really added a feature I expect to use extensively and that will make my life much easier so I can churn out new compositions more frequently. Will try this out over the next week once I install the release candidate and hope there are no bugs introduced. Thank you for this.

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Tab to transient is much more accurate now. It's no longer chopping the start off the majority of drum hits. This will speed up drum editing tenfold. It's still a bit out on some of the quieter transient but it's much, much better in general. 

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