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OK... Some things...

First Excellent feature add. Kudos on the use of Preset Manager to manage stored track selections. Big time saver!

Now, please continue and make it a little more direct accessible. I mean, some way to graphically select tracks and save them as a preset for preset manager?  The checkbox scenario was ok when there was so little use, but now with presets and their management, the toolset and it's UI need to grow too, yes?

Probably belongs in feature requests, yes?

Something else... The clean look of envelopes is a nice tool, but I sometimes have need of seeing the node points when tracks are short (not tall) and value changes are small. Is there some way or could there be some way to toggle the node-view option easily? Buttons, buttons.... where is that button?

 

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It appears Tempo nodes are being (randomly/arbitrarily) added past the intended end of the project causing it to continue past that expected end. Chris.r and I have both noticed it. Maybe we are fumble-fingering something but we don't recall doing anything that should add a node. Once it's deleted the project will end as expected.

One  project I was working on ended normally at 5:16 but with either the 4.1 or 4.0 update, I noticed it ending at 7:44. Out there is this Tempo node.

If it's us, let us know so we stop doing it. :)

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I noticed this happened when loading pre-update projects.  Only after spending ages doing that thing where you select/delete space on the right in search of errant MIDI events!  I posted about this but had no response.  I don't know if it's fixed or not, I don't download early access re-builds.

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3 hours ago, Skyline_UK said:

I noticed this happened when loading pre-update projects.  Only after spending ages doing that thing where you select/delete space on the right in search of errant MIDI events!  I posted about this but had no response.  I don't know if it's fixed or not, I don't download early access re-builds.

@Terry Kelley / @Skyline_UK - have you got specific steps that can make this happen ?  Or if possible, can you zip up an example project and send it to @Jonathan Sasor. We'll take a look at what is going on.

FYI - what normally happens when loading older projects, is a tempo envelope is created from the old tempo map.

A node is put at the end so you can use the shelf tool.  It would appear that it thinks that the end of the project is later than it is.  It could be something like an automation envelope later in the project ?

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Here's a typical pre-update project.  The tempo was 120 throughout, the only envelope is a pan one.

Post-update: (i) Shift F (fit project to screen) doesn't work, it fits the project to where the last pan node is, bar 150 leaving space to the right.  (ii) In the tempo inspector you can see a phantom tempo entry at 268:04:868, the logic for this being placed there a mystery.  If I go to bar 268 there isn't anything there.  This happens on every one of my pre-update projects.  The workaround is simple of course, delete the phantom tempo node, Shift F then works.

Edit: I couldn't send the zipped CWB at it's 5.3 and there's a limit on the forum messaging of 4.8?

Edit: CWP file sent.

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When you drag a midi groove from the Browser to a midi track, the midi groove loses its name. I wish the midi groove would keep it.

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I'm using Cakewalk on a DELL Inspiron 14 notebook. Whenever I leave the application, the machine's sound is completely muted / muted. I can't hear anything from other applications anymore. I can only do this after rebooting the machine. Any ideas on how to solve this problem?

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5 hours ago, msmcleod said:

A node is put at the end so you can use the shelf tool.  It would appear that it thinks that the end of the project is later than it is.  It could be something like an automation envelope later in the project ?

For me, when using Clear All or Reset Tempo Map, it adds the last node at the end correctly, not past the end. All I really wanted to point out was that when designing a DAW feature and having to choose between evil and evil, that is letting Cakewalk create an extra event at the far end of the project (for some: an inadvertent change to the project) or leaving user without the shelf tool for that part until he decides to create the node intentionally, I would suggest to choose the latter every day of the week - that would be definitely lesser evil. Creating the node 'automatically' with some users not even noticing it can potentially lead to confusion at best, in this case if he decides to shorten the arrangement not knowing there's a node much later at the end then one can wonder why is the Export Audio taking ages, for example.

Alternatively you may let the shelf tool work on the dotted envelope by just allowing to change just the existing node's value without having to automatically create the extra node.

Here's an example of a ghost node being created when I first use the shelf tool then click ESC while still dragging. I can't see that there's extra node appearing on the tempo list in inspector but I can definitely drag it out from under the existing one and I can delete it without deleting the existing one. To me it's confusing, or I'm totally wrong and would need some explication to understand :): 

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@chris.r / @Skyline_UK / @Terry Kelley - thanks for your feedback on the "end of project" tempo nodes.

The official 2021.04 Update 1 release will no longer create tempo nodes at the end of the project when importing an older project or using the "Clear All" context menu command.

It shouldn't be much longer before this is released.

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2 problems with the new tempo map:
1) the offset tempo map ignore the selection=> only global changes are possible
2) process fit to time no longer works

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1 hour ago, Hopital said:

2 problems with the new tempo map:
1) the offset tempo map ignore the selection=> only global changes are possible
2) process fit to time no longer works

Thanks @Hopital - both of those issues have been fixed for the main release.

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Concerning the bandlab integration: I've just come back to Sonar (Edit: haha, sorry: Cakewalk :D) to see whether this now provides a good workflow for sharing simple projects with my band mates.

Looks very cool!

For now I just tried opening one of my existing bandlab projects... seems to work fine. Also seems to be a quick way for extracting MIDI and wave stems from bandlab.

On question though: It seemed to me as there is only the possibility to upload Cakewalk projects as new bandlab projects, not as revision of existing ones. That would be really great! Or does it work already and I just didn't find it?

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7 hours ago, u-u-u said:

Concerning the bandlab integration: I've just come back to Sonar (Edit: haha, sorry: Cakewalk :D) to see whether this now provides a good workflow for sharing simple projects with my band mates.

Looks very cool!

For now I just tried opening one of my existing bandlab projects... seems to work fine. Also seems to be a quick way for extracting MIDI and wave stems from bandlab.

On question though: It seemed to me as there is only the possibility to upload Cakewalk projects as new bandlab projects, not as revision of existing ones. That would be really great! Or does it work already and I just didn't find it?

If you publish the same project more than once, it uploads as a new revision.

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9 hours ago, u-u-u said:

Concerning the bandlab integration: I've just come back to Sonar (Edit: haha, sorry: Cakewalk :D) to see whether this now provides a good workflow for sharing simple projects with my band mates.

Looks very cool!

For now I just tried opening one of my existing bandlab projects... seems to work fine. Also seems to be a quick way for extracting MIDI and wave stems from bandlab.

On question though: It seemed to me as there is only the possibility to upload Cakewalk projects as new bandlab projects, not as revision of existing ones. That would be really great! Or does it work already and I just didn't find it?

@u-u-u You can upload as a revision to an existing project. Here are two ways to do it:

 

1. Upload a new project from Cakewalk. Once you have done that any subsequent updates to the SAME project will upload as revisions to the BandLab project. 
i.e. The Cakewalk project will store a reference to the uploaded BandLab project and tracks changes from that point on.

2. Download a project created on BandLab to create a NEW Cakewalk project. Once you do this any changes to this project will upload as revisions to the ORIGINAL BandLab project. Similar to 1 the Cakewalk project stores a reference to the BandLab project and tracks changes from that point on.

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On 5/11/2021 at 10:48 AM, Milton Sica said:

I'm using Cakewalk on a DELL Inspiron 14 notebook. Whenever I leave the application, the machine's sound is completely muted / muted. I can't hear anything from other applications anymore. I can only do this after rebooting the machine. Any ideas on how to solve this problem?

This probably isn't the solution, based on your symptoms,  but you might try it:

https://solidstatelogic.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007770037-Hear-your-DAW-and-apps-at-the-same-time

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3 hours ago, janek.goralczyk@gmail.com said:

Hello Guys,

Is it possible to somehow move back to the previous version, i.e. 2021.01? The latest one doesn't work well on my PC...

Thanks,

Jan

Hi -

Yes: you con revert using the link in the main page of this update, under "Should you need to revert to the 2021.01 release, you can download the Cakewalk 2021.01 Rollback installer" -

https://discuss.cakewalk.com/index.php?/topic/29141-cakewalk-202104-update-1-release-candidate-updated-to-build-170/

 

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