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10 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Its most likely because those folders are not sub menus as I explained above. So you need to click them to open a new menu.

@Noel BorthwickI saw in another thread these (the new non-scrolling lists) were referred to as cascading menus and fly-out menus.  I see also that others are using different words.

To avoid confusion, what have they been called internally, or rather what will they be called when officially released? 

(Apologies if its in the EA features/changes description already.)

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3 hours ago, chris.r said:

I think I can see the different colors for VST2/VST3/DX on the right (not plugin names), but the difference is almost indistinguishable here.

I like the text references instead of the images (easier to read) and I expect the new cascading/flyout lists will be met with appreciation).

(1) Assuming the changes to "DX," "VST2," and "VST3" will be in the official release, will they be editable when a new Theme Editor is released? [UPDATE: partially editable currently]

(2) If so, will they be text so we can just change the colors/colours (as opposed to images with text that will need to be re-colored/re-coloured)? [UPDATE: partially editable currently]

(3) If text, could they be set up as bold so they are more visible? 

(4) If there are changes (either text or text within image), will those be included in the list of recent changes [UPDATE: not needed]

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to strikeout several questions based on further exploration with the theme editor
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14 minutes ago, User 905133 said:

(3) If text, could they be set up as bold so they are more visible? 

LOL.. as for "more visible", on your picture I can actually tell the VST3 is kind of a bluey, sort of.. on my system I can barely see any difference, more like a change in the tint of grey

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ooops - posted to wrong thread.

Edited by User 905133
deleted; posted here in error; placed in UI Theme thread

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Hello Guys. Nice Update.

But... I can´t find this option: Help > Sign Out from BandLab

And Cakewalk\Shared Utilities\Internal\PC2ALevelingAmplifier there is only one folder called Resource with no DLL inside. I can´t find PC2A.

Thank you.

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7 hours ago, Andres Medina said:

PC2A vs CA-2A:

I wonder if the PC2A is the same plugin as CA2A?

I see just one difference: CA-20 has the option to sidechain it. I don't  see this option in PC2A

 

 

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It is identical. The "PC" in "PC2A" literally stands for "ProChannel." Thats it. I believe Softube had this version of it? 

So it's only a Prochannel version of it, like with some Boz plugins and Softube FET and EQ ProChannel versions back in Sonar. 

 

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17 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

Its most likely because those folders are not sub menus as I explained above. So you need to click them to open a new menu.

Like @User 905133 said. My confusion might be what I interpret as "SUB FOLDERS." 

To make this clear: To me - the main folder is the "plugin layout" such as "category and manufacture." So what ever folders are in them - they become "Sub folder" to me.

Like in the "Category Layout" sub folder to me are the EQ, DYNAMIC, DELAY, REVERB, MODULATION, folders with the little arrow next to it - that expands the "flatbed list/flyout,popup/multicolumn" window.

😊 Probably my mistake. Sorry. 

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12 hours ago, msmcleod said:

Sorry, cannot reproduce:

 

I haven't been able to replicate this on my other computer as well so I guess it's a glitch of my particular laptop, will have to investigate further. Thanks for your time.

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I'm having a problem with the theme.

In the Cakewalk Theme Editor I discoloured all plugin type icons. 

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But in the Cakewalk side they seem all coloured in the Plug-in Browser.

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Actually this issue is not new. I was having this issue for a long time, older themes was working without problem. I mean icons are seeing in grayscale with the old custom themes. However, this became a problem as the new version no longer supports the old themes.

These images belongs to the Tungsten theme but I tried it with the Mercury Theme too. The result is the same, the changes made in the Theme Editor to the icons are not seeing on the Cakewalk side.

Edit:

The working theme files belongs to early 2020's. I guess this issue came with an update to Cakewalk Theme Editor in Q3 2020.

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13 hours ago, Andres Medina said:

I wonder if the PC2A is the same plugin as CA2A?

CA2A seems to be a new Version of PC2A.
They seem to be nearly the same except CA2A having a VST-interface and a sidechain option including the button you mentioned. 😉
Best regards.

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12 hours ago, Noel Borthwick said:

We mute uploaded mixdowns if you are also uploading tracks, otherwise you would get doubled audio. If you upload just a full mixdown it shouldn't be muted. Are you seeing that happen?

Its possible that there could be tiers for more than 16 tracks but I don't know of any immediate plans. Feel free to contact BandLab support for enquiries or requests.
For BandLab specific help you can contact support@bandlab.com

Yeah I'm having mixdowns muted when no other tracks are uploaded. See screenshot below for the settings I choose.
 

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1 hour ago, michheld said:

CA2A seems to be a new Version of PC2A.
They seem to be nearly the same except CA2A having a VST-interface and a sidechain option including the button you mentioned. 😉
Best regards.

It was mentioned in a post that you are correct. Apart from those 2 differences they are exactly the same.

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1 hour ago, James Holmes said:

Yeah I'm having mixdowns muted when no other tracks are uploaded. See screenshot below for the settings I choose.
 

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I’ll look into it. That’s not expected thanks.

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13 hours ago, User 905133 said:

@Noel BorthwickI saw in another thread these (the new non-scrolling lists) were referred to as cascading menus and fly-out menus.  I see also that others are using different words.

To avoid confusion, what have they been called internally, or rather what will they be called when officially released? 

(Apologies if its in the EA features/changes description already.)

 Nothing fancy lol, multi-column custom plug-in menus maybe. It’s a rework of the CbB plugin menu layout code that overcomes the Windows menu limitations and adds several customizations. Windows menus don’t support more than about 1100 menu items so this was the primary reason why we did this, but then we went beyond and added scrolling keyboard handling, multi-column support, better categorization, etc.

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I did some tests this morning to see if I could quantify this a little more. I have tried it a few times betwen 2020.01 and 2020.04 EA using the rollback installer. I can now say for sure that I get a lot  more dropouts with the EA. To try and show this I have increased DropoutMsec from 250 to 2500 msec so that playback wouldn't stop in EA. I then played 1m20s of my project in both 2021.01 and 2021.04 EA. Here are the results. The max engine load is not that much more in EA, but with this project it generates almost 45% more late buffers. At the default DropoutMsec of 250 msec, the project normally plays true, or at least for the most part, with crackle in 2020.01 and stops after a few seconds on EA.

In case this might be seen differently: I give this as information if it could be helpful in anyway to the devs. It is not something I am complaining about. I am totally aware that this project is too complex, using plugings that are probably too cpu intensive pushing my PC to its limit.

2021.01

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2021.04 EA

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8 hours ago, Will_Kaydo said:

It is identical. The "PC" in "PC2A" literally stands for "ProChannel." Thats it. I believe Softube had this version of it? 

So it's only a Prochannel version of it, like with some Boz plugins and Softube FET and EQ ProChannel versions back in Sonar. 

 

Thanks! I get it now.

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A little thing, not important, but strange, new to this release.

In track view, sometimes I get this vertical grey line randomly appearing in a track. See screenshot.

I´ll try to reproduce it and report it.

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1 minute ago, Andres Medina said:

A little thing, not important, but strange, new to this release.

In track view, sometimes I get this vertical grey line randomly appearing in a track. See screenshot.

I´ll try to reproduce it and report it.

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Got it:

1. Insert midi or audio track

2. Press NumPad - any number (1,2,3)

Then the grey line appears an moves depending on the number typed.

 

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By the way, just found out that using the NumPad when assigned to screenshots via shortcuts, doesn't work or work randomly: Sometimes it triggers the linked screenshot, sometimes it doesn't.

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